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Saturday, December 08, 2012

COLLEGE BOWL GAMES HAVE BECOME A SHAM


We live in a soft society where kids are taught that everyone is a winner.  Kid’s soccer teams don’t keep score because it might be “hurtful” to be on the losing team.  Everybody gets a trophy just for participating and everyone goes home feeling special.
Unfortunately, that type of thinking is not reality.  There are always going to be winners and losers.  Someone will always be better than the others regardless of how kids are coddled into thinking otherwise.  My advice is to deal with it.
A good example of receiving undeserved rewards is the college football bowl lineup for this year.  It used to be that a team had to have a good record of wins over losses to earn a coveted spot in a bowl.  Today? Not so much.
In the case of college sports it is more a case of greed than worrying about feelings.  The players are old enough to realize that all the coddling nonsense they got as kids about everyone being equal is silly.  Now, it’s a case of putting on a bloated show for someone to make a buck.
I remember when if a team lost more than two games they could forget about being bowl bound. But, in those days there were  not 34 bowls like there are now. 
The A-list bowls were the Orange, Cotton, Sugar, and Rose.  There were a few secondary bowls:  The Tangerine Bowl in Orlando, the Gator Bowl in Jacksonville, and the Sun bowl in El Paso.   Even those bowls usually required schools to have no more than three losses.
This year’s bowl lineup shows that teams can be actually awarded for ineptitude.  There is some justice though that some of these schools are being sent to bowls with names like The Belk Bowl, whatever that is.
Zurlon Tipton scores for Central Michigan as 
fans disguised as seats look on.
The Belk Bowl will match my old alma mater, Cincinnati (9-3) vs. the mighty Duke Blue Devils who boast a 6-6 record that includes losses by scores of 50-13, 41-20, 48-7, 56-20, 42-24, and 52-45.  It seems like the toilet bowl would be more suitable for Duke.
There are ten other teams with 6-6 records that will be going to bowls with names like the Little Caesar’s Pizza Bowl in Detroit, the Russell Athletic Bowl, the Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl in Tempe, and the Heart of Dallas Bowl.

I wonder if I can still get tickets to that Little Caesar’s Bowl.  I have always wanted to see Central Michigan (6-6) play Western Kentucky (7-5) on the day after Christmas in a garden spot like Detroit in winter.   Let’s see; where did I put my .38?
ASU and U of A are both 7-5 and going to insignificant bowls.  With their records they certainly have as much right to a bowl as the 6-6 guys but when I watched Oregon beat ASU 43-21 in a game that could have been 100-0, I wonder how good these guys are.  It was men against boys that night.
The same goes for U of A:  They lost to Oregon 49-0 and UCLA 66-10.  Are those the kind of games that earn a bowl trip?  It will be interesting to see how many trudge to Albuquerque on December 19 to watch them play the mighty Nevada Wolf Pack.
What is my favorite bowl game?  It has to be the BBVA Compass Bowl in Birmingham, Alabama where Pittsburgh (6-6) plays Mississippi (6-6).   The only appropriate score of that one should be 0-0.

108 comments:

midnightsstaff said...

OU won a stunner over Okla St. in overtime Thanksgiving weekend and I am wondering if either of these teams really belong in post season play.
A 51-48 Bedlam Bowl win is not a ringing endorsement for either team's defense, but you watch- both probably will get a bowl slot.

nativekentuckian said...

I've never been much of a football fan......it has always seemed like a wasted effort to spend all that time sitting and watching a bunch of millionaires run around chasing a ball....

Jim McAllister said...

From Larry
R.

You don't suppose it has anything to do with Universal University Greed, do you?

Paying University Presidents and Professors their current salaries is also a sham, but they have to fund these things to the extent the Government subsidy (i.e. student loans for everybody) runs out!

sam said...

I stopped watching all pro sports about 20 years ago, and college sports shortly thereafter. I still get some enjoyment out of high school sports, but even they have, for the most part, lost most or all of the "sport"...or enjoyment...of either the player or the observer. Even at the high-school level, most sports have evolved into "income" activities to fund various individuals or school programs.
I can recall when towns had "town teams" for soft-ball and base-ball, played for "fun" and competition for "bragging rights"...now, you pay, don't play, and those who play sell their skills to which-ever town is willing or able to meet their financial demands.
College is little more than farm club for the pros, with commensurate salaries and exposure.
I don't see how these schools can even come close to meeting their costs, and even worse for the towns which host the bowls.
And, where is the "paying" fan getting the money to attend these bowls? I would guess from the government...same as the source for the Bowl expenses.

Anonymous said...

Well, I watched the only football game that I care about, which was Navy versus Army, today. NAVY won, as usual.
Other college and pro games I could hardly watch anymore. I use to watch car racing, but I gave up on that, also.
There are better things to do, than sit it front of the BOOB TUBE and tell it to entertain me!!

Dave

Mike Slater said...

Jim. I have to agree with you. There are too many Bowl games in college football. I watch the Rose, Orange,Sugar and Cotton bowl plus the national championship games but that's about it. I don't care to watch two 6-6 teams play.

That's why I no longer watch major league baseball, football, except to see the Cardinals lose, and the NBA. I don't care to watch mediocre teams in the playoffs.

Jim McAllister said...

Jim:

Such negativity!

There are teams in bowl with better records than 6-6 or 7-6. One only has to look to Boise next weekend for the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, no doubt one of the more famous sporting events, where my illustrious Alma Mater, Utah State with a 10-2 record is playing Toledo somebody. Not sure what their record is but it has to be the event of the year in Boise! this should be a hard fought contest between the WAC Champions and Toledo.

I think the TV ratings will be stellar, likely much better than the University of Arizona Mediocre Mildcats who are losing to someone the same day.

There is a place for these less well known games: each will serve to further embarass a lousy team even though there might be a $200,000 payday for the loser.

Jim Johnson

midnightsstaff said...

How about a bloggers road trip?
We could all meet up at Steak 'n Burger, have lunch and then caravan to St. Petersburg (I hope Florida not the other one!) and catch the Beef O'Brady Bowl!

If you can't make the roadie with me and Jim then set your recorder for this one football fans, this is the game all of America has been waiting for, this year it's going to be a titanic struggle between Ball State and the UFC Knights.
.. a team I still don't know where the hell live. UFC- WTF??

..and Ball State?- didn't that chick wanting free rubbers at the Democrat convention go to Ball State? ..are you kidding?- sounds like a party school to me..

Might as well have matriculated my ass through Drinking Tech-
I could have done post graduate work at a school like that in my prime. their football team's name?

.. the DT's of course.

The unfortunate meeting takes place on Dec. 21'st which I might remind you could fall on the same day as the end of the world-
the happy face on this one being- it's saving me, Jim and any other fool who goes a long trip home.

I hope they start the game early and I really hope the Ball State cheerleaders show up...

Jim McAllister said...

Go Utah State!

You're right, Jim. There are some good games and we are fortunate to have one here with the match up in the Fiesta Bowl between two 11-1 teams, Oregon and K-State.

Most of the large bowls have similar good games lined up. It's those 6-6 teams that get in those second rate bowl games that don't deserve to go that annoys me. A bowl game is meant to be a reward for success and when a team loses 6 games giving up 48 points a game in those losses as Duke did, they should be staying home.

It's all about greed and I'm sure the day will come when 5-7 teams will be getting selected. It's another case of seeing just how much the public will tolerate.

midnightsstaff said...

Well Jim Johnson.. hope you are doing well- last saw you at lunch a while back..

I wonder why my second favorite team the Montana Tech Orediggers aren't headed for a bowl berth this year?

(http://www.godiggers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&)

I see they beat Carroll college in Butte for once, that might turn their program around.

Woooah.. I just noticed they have an 8 and 3 record for the year... watch out Notre Dame, they are breathing down your neck.
They kicked the shit out of Dillon's best and Eastern Oregon, another highly rated fuutboll factory..
..not to mention almost beating the Butte H.S. Bulldogs in pre season..
shouldn't a school like this be playing on New Years day in Pasadena?

Go Diggers!!

Rick Kepple said...

Sports, music and religion are the three essentials of a civilization.

Sports has the winners. If everyone wins, why would people wish to watch the games? People watch sports, because there is that winning that they usually can't find in their own lives. Watching winners inspire them. I have no explanation for losing team fans.

Music is as old as sports in the species. Likely cavemen played football after a mammoth roast and listened to a local Indie band.

Religion is to make us feel guilty for watching football and listening to secular music.

You guys have wealth envy. I made white chocolate chip peanut butter cookies and you guys wish you had them. I just put them away and admire the wealth. Idle cookies.

midnightsstaff said...

.."Sports, music and religion are the three essentials of a civilization"

..Yeah no sense in fooling around with providing for a common defense, establishing a system of justice, the assurance of personal rights or anything like that.. rock and roll works just as well as a secure border does in my book.

Rick Kepple said...

"rock and roll works just as well as a secure border does in my book."

It can't do any worse than the laws keeping illegal immigrants out. Hey, can Ozzy create a national defense song to repel all invaders?

We can just run the United States like a tribal government. Give those folks in Congress and the President a talk stick and they can only express themselves when it's their turn.

And we can put a line of disabled veterans in wheelchairs, cold drinks, all the comforts of home in motorhomes in a line along the border with huge fricking speakers all blaring the Ozzy defense song. Mix in the sounds of tracked, armored vehicles, the occasional shout of border patrol agents saying, "There's one!" in with Ozzy's lyrics. It's cheaper than a fence and should sell on iTunes too!

Rick Kepple said...

I have two roommates, Jim. One of them brought satellite TV with him, so we can occasionally watch those sports games. I've written about sports with little enthusiasm.

Fans of the mighty Epiphanies watched an oddball game on Sunday, when the team from Scottsdale met the Expletives from Milwaukee. The highlight of the football game was in the final quarter with thirteen seconds on the clock. Middy, the quarterback from Cali, fell back with seconds to find an open receiver as Ugly Joe drove through the blockers like a pit bull through a cat farm. Jimmy eluded an Expletive and Middy launched the pigskin downrange to the open receiver. Just when fans expected a win, an errant hot dog cart vendor wandered on the field and Jimmy went out of bounds, stopping the clock at three seconds left. Coach Dammit from the Expletives called a time out, the ref made the gut-truck foul sign with the ball being moved up to the one-yard line. After the teams filled up on hot dogs, play resumed, Middy threw up on the field, Jimmy sailed over the relaxing Expletives with the final score of 83 to 81. Some speculation remains as to why a hot dog vendor was doing in the field area.

proud said...

I won't be able to attend the blogger football road trip....Got me a better deal....Invited to a tail-gater at Ricks,... Yup, this here's a real sportsmans road trip...Slam some Flamin Dr Peppers,...chowin on day-old road kill & cheese whiz and watchin the Hillbilly Handfishin Marathon on his roomates 17" piture box thingamabob.....(within the sound off and SN music in the background)

Rick Kepple said...

Proud, I saw that they got gatortail at the truck stop, but nobody serves something called tailgators. Except maybe bad drivers, but humans are illegal to eat.

Don't know what a flaming Dr. Pepper is. I didn't even know that soda pop was flammable.

One never uses Cheese Whiz on roadkill. Catsup and Boone's Farm goes with roadkill.

You missed the Handfishin Marathon. And yeah, everyone in the Ozarks listens to SN while watching the piture box.

Ah is a figurin' how to make them movies. I made a green screen from the moss on the side of the barn. Folks pay me five bucks each to make a movie of them running in front of a locomotive or something. It's really one of them treadmills made from an old hay baler conveyor and a lawnmower engine. Proud can show me how they make music videos in Hollywood. They use music, huh? Took me a while to figure that out.

midnightsstaff said...

Well it looks like it's me, Jim and Barb, Cj of course, and Mike Slater... don't know about his missus Deb...
Looks like we are going to need at min. four cars still.
I doubt I would get past Globe riding with Cj.
..another unexplained disappearance in the middle of the desert?- not this kid- I want to see those Ball State hook.. er.. I mean cheerleaders.

Rick Kepple said...

You guys could come to the Enchanted Farmstead. I'm trying to smoke a turkey, but we can't get him to inhale.

It's supposed to snow too, so the goatfarmer from Arkansas needs to get home. He is disabled, but won't take disability. He's a proud goatfarmer and can't afford car repairs. So since I'm not proud, I used my disability money to buy him a cheese press mould from Amazon.

I can't wait until Proud gets to the farm. Golly.

midnightsstaff said...

It's a pretty good day for football, get the late game with Detroit playing at Lambeau field tonight.. looks like a lot of snow in Minn, so maybe this will be a throwback game to the great outdoors eh?

Vikings look pretty good to me today, they are a better team than DaBears and it shows.
Viking win and a good game at Lambeau tonight and the Pack will be in the NFC North drivers seat.

If the Packers had Peterson they would be lights out.

midnightsstaff said...

Oh yeah!!!... 32 deg right now and snow in the forecast.......

Green Bay Wisconsin.....
Winter Weather Advisory remains in effect until midnight CST
tonight...

* snow is expected to spread across the area this morning. The
heaviest snow should fall during the afternoon and early
evening hours... before diminishing overnight.

* A total accumulation of 3 to 5 inches is expected by tonight.
The lesser snow amounts are expected toward Lake Michigan.
* The snow will create hazardous travel conditions.

whoopie... Packer football against the Lions in God's very own living room.

Jim McAllister said...

Thanks everyone for the good comments.

Sorry I haven't replied properly yet but I have been busy memorizing every song SN has ever recorded just in case Rick asks me a question about her music.

I'm also practicing for that hand fishing marathon so I'm sure you guys understand how busy that has made me.

I'll reply to your always interesting comments this evening or in the a.m. after I check out the motel rates for that Ball State game.

It will be great to get back to Indiana. Maybe we can chow down at a Steak n' Shake!

midnightsstaff said...

Jim doesn't get to lead the caravan.. the game is in St. Petersburg Iowa instead of Indiana..

whoa.. Rams are on a roll.
Washington is staying tough.
what a great weekend of games.

..the Bengals will break your heart Jimmy..

Rick Kepple said...

I wouldn't bother studying all that SN stuff. I don't know all about her life and I really don't want to know. She was nice in 2007. I'd rather not focus on how she used to be.

It doesn't pay to get close to people, Jimmy. They'll just betray you, leave or die. The last time I saw family, we argued.

But come on by and visit sometime. It ain't much, but it's a home.

midnightsstaff said...

Well at least I made a great lattice topped dried apricot pie this morning.. might be the best I have ever made.
soaked em in apple cider a few days, aprocots, tapioca, butter -no sugar.

You must be locked in on the Cardinal game.. they are setting records today.. what a joke.

Mike Slater said...

Cardinals lose 58-0. What a joke. They couldn't beat a college team.

midnightsstaff said...

Depends on the college..

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

As long as you make it to 6-6 you have a genuine shot at a bowl. It may be a very minor bowl but it will be a bowl.

I'm sure there will be more bowls added to the list since it is all about greed so we can expect some 6-7 teams getting into the action soon.

It's bad enough now. Locally, neither ASU or UA deserve to be in a bowl and even though they are in very minor bowls, there they are.

midnightsstaff said...

I hope the Packers offensive line readjusts from last week, the Lion defense is no joke- a bunch of damn animals.

Hate to see Rogers get smoked tonight or carried off on a stretcher.
..it's going to be Packer weather it looks like- going to be a war out there.

I don't think I have watched one ASU or Arizona football game ever, for some reason I just can't get interested in local sports teams except the Coyotes.
Looks like the game is getting ready to start.

Jim McAllister said...

Larry,

Greed? Nah, no way, it's all about the kids. LOL

If you believe that, I have a nice bridge for sale in Brooklyn you may be interested in.

The funny thing about college sports is that student debt is out of control so bad that it will never be paid yet they still have tuition costs that are way too high.

Maybe they should cut back on minor sports that don't bring revenue and lower tuition so kids can affoprd school.

Do we really need women's basketball? Last week ASU women played in the championship of a tournament and it drew 1,004 fans. It looks like no one cares.

Do they need volleyball, tennis, swimming teams, golf, etc.? I don't like to sound negative, but those are all losers financially.

Save the money dump them while lowering tuition.

Jim McAllister said...

Sam,

You and I are on the same wavelength.

Too many sports lose money. ASU is ridiculous with their tuition as most schools are.

Cut the no revenue sports. Those kids will get over it and probably be glad in the long run if the tuition is lowered.

I well remember the old town teams. Those were great games.

Jim McAllister said...

You're right, Dave.

Army-Navy is one of the last pure games.

None of those guys will be going pro; they have a hitch in the military ahead of them and hopefully a career in the military.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

Going to a bowl used to be an honor for good teams. Now, 6-6 teams are sitting by the phone waiting for their invitation and getting it.

It's that good old liberal spirit where it's important that everyone get a trophy so their feelings don't get hurt. Plus, of course, the greed factor where the school is trying to squeeze out another buck.

As far as pro bad teams making the playoffs, the NBA is about the worst. The top 8 teams in each conference get to go and if someone is at the bottom at 35-47, they are in.

What a waste of time. Teams should have to at least play better than .500 to get into the playoffs but the league doesn't want to lose that TV money.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

We used to play Ball State from Indiana in an early season basketball game at Cincy.

No kidding, the BS game with UFC is in St. Petersburg, Iowa? As Donald Sutherland said in "The Dirty Dozen", "Never heard of it."

December 21 is also Barb's birthday. Quite an occasion for all with this end of the world stuff, the game, and her birthday!

Where do I get in line for those free rubbers? I like to fill them with water and drop them on cars from the overpass.

Jim McAllister said...

proud,

I love roadkill and Cheese Whiz but it is important to be sure it marinates on the road a couple days before retrieval. It has a lot more tang to it that way. It's worth the extra days wait.

Just talking about that stuff takes me back to the chow line in the Air Force. I was station in central Missouri; lots of roadkill there out on highway 50!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Based on your conversations on this here blog with CJ, I would bet she wouldn't get past Superior before you would throw her out of the pickup.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Is Matthews back yet?

The Pack shouldn't have any trouble with Detroit. Bart Starr has healed from his hand injury and should have no trouble hitting Carroll Dale and Boyd Dowler all night against that Lion pass defense.

I look for Hornung to get at least 100 yards also and with Don Chandler kicking, field goals will be no problem.

Pack 31, Lions 17.

Jim McAllister said...

The Bengals suck. 20-19? No excuse fore that.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

I was at the casino and walked by a TV when it was 51-0. They have just given up plus they really do suck.

Best of all, I love it. Let Bill Bidwill go to L. A. like he threatened years ago. Good riddance.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

I doubt if the Cards could beat Ball State!

Jim McAllister said...

I just hope Rodgers doesn't get any more concussions. He has had more than he needs.

midnightsstaff said...

The Lions are here to play.
great game so far.

Jim McAllister said...

Good Green Bay game: cold, snow, wind.

Today they have warm pipes underground keeping the snow off the field and that grass sure was green for December.

The field was like in Miami compared to the Ice Bowl game of 1967 with Dallas.

I almost nailed the sore with my prediction of 31-17.

steve buzzardo said...

I say the more bowl games the better. thats capitalism at its best. Jim, have you been talking to the Red Menace, are you starting to go commie?

When Obama is elected to his 3rd term, football will be banned and soccer will be declared the official sport of the new world government.

So, enjoy football while you can, it may be over soon. Heil Obama! lord and master of the world.

midnightsstaff said...

That's what you get for bashing religion Jim.. haha.
But I guess he has a point, it's not like someone makes you pay for these games.
Sounds like Steve got pretty excited watching the twenty year agreement with the Lions extended another year..
I almost feel sorry for them. yeah really! lol.

Frickin' Lions always find some way to pull defeat from the jaws visiting Wisconsin- that's gotta be getting in their head.

at least they are consistent.

midnightsstaff said...

Actually that field is an engineering masterpiece, twenty years ago the field would have been sloppy with them pushing snow off the lines every quarter, pretty much like all the northeastern stadiums of the past- I have no respect for the Lions or the Vikings for selling out to the dome, football was meant to be played outdoors in all weather- you could play a game at the South Pole in that stadium.

Remember the great playoff games between the Vikings and the LA Rams in the 70's?- the Rams just couldn't deal with the ice sheet and the Cowboys always enjoyed a trip to GB in January as well.

Rick Kepple said...

People without control in their own lives are addicted to sports. They are dependent on other people. They didn't make their own businesses; other people made it for them when they kissed ass.

Obama is right. No one builds a business on their own, but SN and people like her want to believe that it's all them and it's not. She and others like her, used people like me and I'm educating the American public. So is Obama.

The devil's greatest trick was deregulation, because rich people will do as they're told. They'll be led like a cow with a ring in the nose to redistribute their own wealth for the good of the American people.

Meanwhile, put the American people on Food Stamps, Welfare, Unemployment, Disability, while the rich are used to get rid of our enemies overseas. As more illegal immigrants come into the U.S., and the rich hire them, it will give more credence to making a new world order, thanks to the efforts of people JUST LIKE YOU FOLKS helping Obama.

In the end, there's not a damned thing any of you happy, rich people to do. SN paying you to get rid of me won't work, but hell if she wants to throw her money away, when all she had to do was talk to me. It's her money. I don't fricking care and there's nothing she can do about it.

The feds don't like you people or SN. They're using your money. They don't need any of you, but just your money.

Ironically, the music industry treats their fans the same way as the government treats you people.

However, sports teams have the brains to treat their fans well and let them meet the players. You won't see a sports team charging fans $1,500 for a meet and greet and nothing for the poorer fans. Team owners are smart. Music CEO's will be controlled by the NWO. Hell, a Russian owns WMG. You don't think that's control? Just watch.

In the end, poverty will be made to go away. People with excessive wealth will be arrested for treatment of their mental illnesses. Their money taken and distributed to make the global population safer. Happier. Peaceful.

There will still be rich people, but it won't be SN, it won't be any of you. And I prefer not to have huge amounts of idle wealth. Excessive wealth is a mental illness when vast numbers of homeless people are allowed to exist. It is like being royalty over nothing.

Jim McAllister said...

Steve,

I think there isn't enough good product to go around when there are 34 bowls some with 6-6 teams competing.

It's a big deal for the alums I guess but how many people will watch Pittsburgh and Mississippi?

Speaking of the Red Menace, she seems to have dropped out of sight which is a good thing.

Do you think Obama will have to be elected to a third term? I'm with Middy who says the SOB will probably never leave office and will remain as emperor.

As long as he keeps giving free stuff away to the dumb asses who support him, that may be the case.

I'm really disappointed in this country. It used to be that people were embarrassed to take welfare; now they expect it and will elect the guy who gives away the most.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

When it was 14-0 I was concerned but the Pack managed to rally.

As long as Rodgers is healthy, they always have a chance. That was a great TD run he made.

Jim McAllister said...

I used to love those Rams-Viking games from Bloomington.

Bud Grant wouldn't allow heaters for his team. The Rams would come dancing out on the field in their away whites with the heated bench and promptly get dismissed.

Carl Eller, Alan Page, Joe Kapp; those were the days. They were no match for the Chiefs in the '70 Super Bowl though. I can still see the dapper Hank Stram walking the sidelines with his rolled up program saying "This is like stealing!"

Rick Kepple said...

These billionaires say that if they are given more tax breaks that they will create more jobs.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/08/5_job_destroying_ceos_trying_to_fix_the_debt/

That's actually incorrect. Statistics show that giving tax breaks to the rich don't actually create the equal amount in jobs. Some communities give them free land, free taxes, free everything and they'll build factories, hire some people, but the communities never ever get their money's worth from those people, before they outsource to China.

Even the bailouts to corporations didn't work. They still closed plants and moved overseas.

The Republicans don't have a leg to stand on to get their tax cuts. Not gonna happen, unless they give up something to help the poor, disabled and others get back to work. Employing people is the only job the rich have and they can't even do that right.

midnightsstaff said...

.." I'm educating the American public. So is Obama"

Yeah, I would say that is the problem idiots leading idiots..

Rick Kepple said...

"Yeah, I would say that is the problem idiots leading idiots.."

Yeah, I agree. Our leaders are morons. They're pretties who win popularity contests and use the ideas of people like you and me to make themselves useful. They primarily work for the things they want most in life.

The Arkansas goat farmer got started this morning. His car broke down and he's been staying at my house while we've been trying to figure his car out. Finally, we just paid to put it on a truck and haul the illiterate man's car home.

Now, you guys might like this guy. He can't read without the page scrambling in his mind. He has worked hard all his life, walks slightly bent over, obviously in pain, torn shoes, busted down car and he won't take Social Security. His wife was forced to take it and they both hate charity. They make their money from a dozen dairy goats and a few hundred a month in disability for his wife and run the livestock in their small town, keeping the yard mown down.

Now that's honest work, almost completely independent using what education they have (wife is literate and Googles) and they aren't billionaires yet. Obviously hard work isn't the only thing that gets a person rich, huh?

Ordinary people help one another out, not for charitable deductions, but because it's the Christian thing to do. I never gave him food, but I fed him, bought a car part, helped his cousin to get tires through wheeling-dealing and thought the entire thing out to get him home. I even helped an old woman get her rabbit cages moved with those guys needing gas money.

I help a lot of folks and it doesn't cost much money at all. My fee is that they do the same for other people. Most of the time, they won't. But occasionally, they do and that makes the world a little better place to live.

How's that compare with making millions of dollars? I'm just curious.

midnightsstaff said...

I would probably give you some respect except the whole thing is probably fantasy and no one of honor does a good turn and then publicizes it..

You have severe emotional issues that shout over anything you might dream up.

Mike Slater said...

Jim,as a long time Ram fan I used to hate when they had to go to Bloomington for the playoffs. I always hoped the game would be played in L.A. were the weather was nice.

I saw a show about Carl Eller once where he talked about both teams were on the same side of the field and the Rams had the heaters. If he was at the Rams end of the field when he came off he would walk down their side were the heaters were then go back to the Vikings bench.

The Vikings had a good team but they could never win a Super Bowl, in fact they lost 4 of them. Must have been the warm weather that caused them to lose. Same thing with the Buffalo Bills.

Rick Kepple said...

"I would probably give you some respect except the whole thing is probably fantasy and no one of honor does a good turn and then publicizes it.."

No, I just think it's a neat thing.

Years ago, this elderly woman told me that everyone in rural Colorado has put up stranded travelers more than once. She said that God provides a visitor every winter to cut wood, etc. Pretty neat, huh?

Well, with any luck, I'll get a block of goat cheese in the mail sometime next year.

Middy, you're cold, dude. Cold as ice. You wouldn't ever help another soul and neither would any of your "friends." Just wait until you need help, buddy. Your friends will disappear, because it's who they are! Don't be surprised. You got yourself into this, Middy. You get yourself out of it.

midnightsstaff said...

When Georgia Irwin/Rosenbloom/Frontiere took over the Rams that was a low water mark for the organization, I always thought she had it done by her mob associations herself that she cultivated while selling her ass in Vegas.
A little swimming accident for old Carroll and suddenly she was sole owner of an NFL franchise... .. some people are just lucky I guess,

First marriage annulled, second husband got hit by a bus-Carroll was her numero 5 out of a total of seven who died in knee deep surf if I remember correctly, just normal things that happen to all of us...
her last husband went to prison for scalping Superbowl tickets while banging an owner- her... haha, she ended up her sordid existence shacked up with some guy only lucky in she for once in her life went before he did.

Anyway she did more to build the Raiders fanbase in LA than anyone else in Raider history.
Al Davis a first class scoundrel in his own right owed her a lot by her mis-managing the franchise and running it like a Turkish bath house, the Rams are still recovering from Carroll's murd.. er I mean "untimely death" if you ask me.

midnightsstaff said...

I got an earful from my ex sister in law who was a team masseuse for the organization in the 70's- before Georgia.

I was a Kings fan then- my how things have changed, whoa might be a good game tonight, another cold one.

Rick Kepple said...

You folks are right, to a point, which is why when I help folks, I don't just shovel money to them, or buy them car parts. I'm not Jesus Christ.

I taught the goat farmer that his wife can go to Youtube and find any number of lessons in video for self-education. He said that his wife learns goat farming from the Internet.

I can't even help rich people until they learn how to ask for help. I read that the AT&T corporate staff, including the president of the company that I helped once, who have not done employees and communities decently. For the tax deductions and incentives given, that company just walked away and left Americans high and dry.

So you see, there is little difference between a CEO of a giant company and a meth addicted trailer trash addict.

Did you know that Welfare recipients say the exact same things about you people that you say about them. Equal and opposites.

Middy does act a great deal like SN or her brother, but it must be a Scottsdale thing ... or Trailer Park ...

midnightsstaff said...

.."I'm not Jesus Christ"

.. as much time as you spend up there on the cross you could have fooled me.

..ya know, come to think of it I don't think I have ever uttered those words once in my life.. your mind is peculiar, Freud would have a field day.

.."So you see, there is little difference between a CEO of a giant company and a meth addicted trailer trash addict"

..my previous statement x 2.

..let me guess, both are carbon based life forms- am I close?
ah... the trailer trash of Scottsdale, that seamy annual problem no one wants to talk about, disguised as seasonal migrants with their Minnesota license plates and continuous left turn signal, Sheriff Joe has been fooled and looks right by them, not recognizing them for the threat they represent.
he's too busy chasin' messicanz..

Mike Slater said...

Does anyone understand what the hell Rick is talking about most of the time? Reading Rick's comments is like listening to my 3 year old grandson. I hear him but don't know what the hell he's talking about.

CJ Phoenix said...

Geez, guys, I do not come around for a while and you all start throwing my name around. Of course Middy could make it past Globe or anywhere else with me. We made it all the way out to the Jiffy Pop place & thru a whole hockey game together once. Remember? And that was after we used to go at each other on the blogs something fierce. Way worse then anything we do now. But, then again, maybe Middy was thinking that he would be the one to get thrown out in the desert...I might have to agree with that point. I know some of his moods now & physical weaknesses &, I gotta say, that wouldn't be much of a fight. Not in Globe though. The San Carlos Rez would be a better place to lose a body.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

Those were definitely great games in Minnesota.

I was a Chiefs fan in 1970 because I lived there and I was shocked at how easy they handled Kapp and the Vikings. Stram was an AFL guy and threw stuff like Frank Pitts doing end arounds and quick passes from Len Dawson to Otis Taylor. The Vikes were stymied by it all. They also had Jan Stnerud, one of the best kickers who ever played.

They are ruining football now. Kicking off from the 35 has already gotten rid of most run backs. Now, I hear that the owners might get rid of the kickoff completely. That would be a big mistake.

Maybe they should have the guys fitted for skirts while they are at it.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Georgia really pulled one off with Carroll Rosenbloom. I was convinced from the start that she had him killed. It was just too obvious.

Jim McAllister said...

CJ,

Of course Middy could make it past Globe or anywhere else with me. We made it all the way out to the Jiffy Pop place & thru a whole hockey game together once. Remember?

I remember it well but that was because I was there to protect you.

I know you guys really love each other so you may as well admit it. You two would love to be in each other's arms!

Rick Kepple said...

"Reading Rick's comments is like listening to my 3 year old grandson. I hear him but don't know what the hell he's talking about."

You cowards continually running me down only proves my point of the mental illness of you rich people. NOBODY OUTSIDE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THINKS AS IGNORANT AS YOU PEOPLE. Todd Akin is your king.

Jimmy, clue this; ignoring me doesn't work on men. It's a trick that only women use against other women.

Middy, you're a screw. Don't take much in the way of brains to open and close doors. Why in hell would people listen to a former jailer? Maybe you should have invented a smarter character.

None of you people are ever going to rise up against Obama. You've all got too much to lose. You're all talk. Every one of you are nothing but parrots repeating the words that you hear other parrots say. In fact, real parrots are smarter.

That was a nice trick of SN to apologize. I guess she had to pay off some people that she insulted back in the day and she knew precisely what I have done. The woman should have known better than to piss me off.

And if any one of you could have done something about me, you'd have already done it. You can't. You're all like criminals who can't go to the cops for help, knowing that they will also investigate YOU!

midnightsstaff said...

Can't fool Jimmy, sees right through the dust in the air.

Yeah.. I admit it but as you well know,
she's just too damn good for me.

I doubt we see Whizenhuttttt another season, you just don't fire the entire defensive squad but honestly Jesus Christ couldn't make this team a winner.
4 and O then a nine game losing streak?-

Peyton Manning must be laughing under his breath, going to the Bronco's was probably the best decision he has ever made.
doesn't look to me like the Texans are for real at all- they have lost to two pretty good teams and sure didn't look like they were heading into the last few weeks of the schedule with any momentum.

Rick Kepple said...

Today I'm thinking of how I can make rich people suffer. God will provide an opportunity to avenge the poor.

I tried to help SN in 1981, and she ruined my life for the fun of it, resulting in my wife's early death. How can her parents go to heaven with such a sin on them? They can't. How much greater is her hell for what she's done?

You're all lucky you're Americans, but it didn't help some enemies of the State, did it?

I think to save money, Obama needs to cut all funding to the rich. Every dime. The rich deserve socialism for what they did to me and to many other struggling people.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

They had some luck winning those first 4. Although they played well against NE on the road, how often will Gostowski miss that chip shot field goal?

Seattle should have beat them too at Jiffy and they barely beat Miami.

The only game they really won was the Eagles.

midnightsstaff said...

We get to watch the Iggles lose this Thursday I believe- they play the Beagals.

sorry DG.. but in your heart you know it's true.

Mike Slater said...

Jim, the Cardinals couldn't win if they had Joe Montana in his prime. The offensive line can't protect the quaterback then add in the fact they have no running game and it's a recipe for losing.

I see Bidwill isn't going to make any changes until the season is over. The one change the Bidwill's should make is to sell the team.

Rick Kepple said...

A bunch of friends got together and cut wood at my place. Little by little, the yard is looking better. One of these days, I can take some time, go to a ball game, meet some chicks, eat some dogs, and ask what the score was afterwards.

Nah, I'd rather date the classier chicks and they can take me to an opera. I won't go to a concert, but operas are cool.

I like hanging out in the dugouts and that tunnel thing from the locker room to the field. Going places where fans can't go and I don't even like sports.

I guess I could take some photos, write some lines, shoot some video, and maybe make some bucks. Sports is more boring than writing about trash and legal issues.

I'm like the rock star's bad kid who won't straighten up, so mom won't talk to him. Now that would make a good story!

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

I agree. Getting canned is a good deal for Whisenhunt; He'll get $5.5 million for doing nothing next year. Bidwill likes Todd Haley; maybe he will come back although he was a bust in KC.

New England looked good last night. I was ready to watch a good game and it was basically over by halftime. When Brady is hot and can get Welker open, they are awfully tough. It's still hard to believe the Cardinals beat them.

Rick Kepple said...

The Cardinals always win. It's a redbird thing. Everyone in Missouri knows that.

Sports is just a way for rich folks to conceal facts from the public. The weak minded follow sports and allow their lives to be controlled by idiots with money.

Mike Slater said...

Jim, I can see the Cardinals easily losing the next 3 games and finishing 4 and 12. It's a hapless team and always will be as long as the Bidwill's own it.

They haven't won any title since 1947 and they never will with the Bidwill's.

The Sun's are just as bad. 44 years and no championship.

Is it any wonder as a Valley native why I don't root for the "home" teams?

Rick Kepple said...

Lazy Americans.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

The Cardinals have Detroit, Chicago, and SF left. SF, and Chicago are probably losers for them.

As far as Detroit, one of the sportswriters was saying today that the Cards may beat them as they are also 4-9 just like the Cardinals.

However, I checked the stats and Detroit has scored 320 points compared to 186 for the Cards. Quite a difference. They may lose a lot of games but at least they know how to score. With Matthew Stafford, they have a decent QB.

steve buzzardo said...

Jim,
a big 3 team deal was done between the Reds, Indians and the D-Backs just today (Tues).

The Indians and Reds made out pretty well, but I think that the D Backs got screwed, LOL

midnightsstaff said...

The Lions will eat them up, don't judge the Lions by their ongoing Lambeau curse- they have a pretty decent quarterback and some talent.

I have watched them play a few times this year and they are not really a bad team despite their record as much as they are an unfocused team.
..they tend to blow up sometime in the second half of games- thankfully.

The Cardinals have a completely different problem, they need a rebuild and probably won't win another game this season.

Rick Kepple said...

You guys got your collective asses handed to you, huh? Hence the sports instead of bitching about Obama. Bummer dudes. The Secret Service really doesn't like putting Americans in jail for their opinions, you know.

Everyone wants me to write a book about what really happened during Reagan's time, with SN and the parties, the sex, all that. But I don't see the point.

What people need are answers and not fingerpointing. Sure, stop wasting money on mainstream music concerts and theaters, but keep the money in the communities. Regionally. Why?

Because the economic cycle is broken and the rich folks no longer employ their own kind. They go overseas or hire illegal immigrants.

So the rich folks have made themselves expendable and their products should be copied and like companies started in the United States. The Chinese do reverse engineering all the time and what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

How's the games looking, boys? When people are broke enough, they'll be blaming North Scottsdale.

Attention Slut said...

I think the Cardinals will do what the Cardinals will do.

midnightsstaff said...

Ya know Jim, maybe it's time to get rid of this ADD posterchild/moron- think of it as a privilege he is abusing and not as a right- he is just another criminal with absolutely nothing to say of interest sitting around day after day hating complete strangers who have never affected his miserable life..
He can't change on his own, he embraced the evil of communism into his life.

I for one am done talking, it will be up to you to keep him interested from now on.
.. after all it is not a God given right to graffiti someone else's wall and expect them to tolerate it forever.

Jim McAllister said...

Steve,

I read about that trade this morning.

It doesn't sound like the D-backs got much. They act like that Gregorius is quite a player and have him playing short within a year or so. He is supposedly a great fielder at 23 but not much with the bat.

Gee, how unusual! The minor leagues are fill of good field, no hit guys.

I knew Bauer would be gone. He has an attitude problem. They didn't like his "long toss" warm ups before games and he was not getting along with Montero on pitch selection. He'll probably win 20 for Cleveland next year.

Bauer was our kind of guy politically though.He said in October after one of the debates that "Obama looked childish and petty tonight. I'm ashamed that he is commander in chief of this great nation." The kid has a good head on his shoulders!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

I hope you're right. I want to see that 12 game losing streak.

Mike Slater said...

With the Cardinals as bad as they are I wonder if the game with the Lions might not be televised.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

Good point; it may not make TV. Even the fools who support these guys by going to all the games and wearing expensive team jerseys have to figure it out eventually.

I pick Detroit to win the game. Against Green Bay they didn't look near as bad as the Cardinals.

Rick Kepple said...

"Ya know Jim, maybe it's time to get rid of this ADD posterchild/moron"

All artists are mad as snakes, it's said.

Oh, I'm sorry for being so ME, Jimmy. I'd like to be more controlled like SN. She always did have a way of calming me down.

I uploaded a video that I made to Facebook. Mostly, I'm getting accustomed to the editing software.

SN said to practice the electric guitar to get back to writing and I've found that video recording helps too. I'm no Dave Stewart, but more of a hillbilly Quentin Tarantino. Except I lost a lot of footage due to cussing in the background.

Women cuss a lot more than men, Jimmy. I'm trying to figure out how to remove background noise and it can be done with the software, but just haven't figured it out yet.

So how's the golf swing, Jimmy? If the farm sells, I'm gonna try golfing again. I need help with my form though. My follow through is hendered by the pain. An old friend was gonna teach me how to play as a geezer, but the piano player had a stroke. Bummer.

Well, have fun watching sports. I prefer to play sports, but can't anymore.

I swear. Middy's just like a little brother crying to Jimmy. "Rick's being a butt brain again!"

Rick Kepple said...

Yes Jim, I will endeavor to behave.

SN would grab my earlobe. I miss her.

Rick Kepple said...

I am presently studying Internet speeds, underinvesting of small towns (40,000) and rural areas vs large cities. The Internet is the last, best hope of "lazy Americans" to get back to work.

Do more poor people live in the cities or rural areas? Do more millionaires live in the cities or rural areas?

Where I live, retired rich folks move and enjoy the rivers and quiet of the countryside. So why isn't the high speed Internet speeds coming with them? Microsoft's executive staff are retiring in the Ozarks. One just a stone's throw from my housekeeper's home.

If wealth is a magnet for faster Internet, why isn't faster service available in the country where they retire? Or have they just been forgotten too?

Is this further evidence that the poor, disabled and elderly are neglected, because of their declining value as necessary humans in a society?

If Scottsdale only had golf courses and no corporations, but only a bedroom community for the retired rich folks; would they also have slow Internet speeds?

Perhaps the powers that be don't really care about the wealthy folks, but WORKING wealthy folks.

Is there evidence to support this hypothesis? And what is the future for the retired, poor and disabled? A little pill to put them down humanely?

It's called my "Yardstick Time Theory." Patterns of historic behavior aligned with similar existing present behavior to predict the behavioral trends of the future. Will a global government begin exterminating unnecessary peoples to reduce costs?

Rick Kepple said...

Merry Christmas!

Here's a video that was made on the Enchanted Farmstead. No goats are featured in the video. Meet Lana and the crew! Listen to some good music (not mine, obviously) and recorded and edited by ME!

I'm no Dave Stewart, but I am learning.

http://youtu.be/7qLumL5Wuxw

Jim McAllister said...

Bengals win ugly tonight at Philly but are 8-6. Their season basically ended last week with the Dallas loss.

Now they have to beat the Ravens and Steelers to make the playoffs.

Isn't going to happen.

midnightsstaff said...

more rain coming your way tonight Jim, looks like the weekend might be a bit wet.
..taking a percocet and calling it a night, backs are a nuisance..

I honestly feel sorry for the retired players, I got my lumps from the years I spent in construction but they take a real beating every game.
Lots of them die relatively young doing a lot of damage to themselves with the painkillers and quite a few die broke.

Too many people focus on the wrong things about life, they obsess with notoriety, trinkets of fame and false values, forgetting that it's values we inherited from our creator that set us apart from the animal kingdom.
at least it seems that way to me.

..gonna try again to make it to the hot tub, I hate being out in the rain.

midnightsstaff said...

spam on toast.

Jim McAllister said...

I read once where the average age of NFL players was about 58. That seems a bit low but when I think about it, I don't know of many of them that got too much further.

With the size and speed of today's players, 58 might be high. Lots of concussions today and the total hard hits have to take their toll eventually.

Barb and I used to eat Spam and Treet a lot in the 70's. Very good fried with a slice of onion and some mustard on rye.

Today? Not so much.

Rick Kepple said...

It's raining here too. Found a couple more lumps, but it's probably just old guy stuff. Nothing to worry about. Not a priority to have it checked out.

I can see why you guys like sports. It's like, tunnel vision dudes. Don't want to see it on TV, don't want to read about it, can't do nothing about it. Shut it out. Hey, did I ever tell you about the time that Elway was screwing up bad and I broke a bone during that game.

I was walking from the kitchen to the living room and broke my toe on the couch.

Merry Christmas y'all. Peace.

Jim McAllister said...

Rick,

I don't know where the teams get the money to pay these guys. Josh Hamilton just signed with the L. A. Angels for 125 million for 5 years.

Merry Christmas, Rick.

CJ Phoenix said...

This may be off-topic but it is a decidedly more current event than two people ranting at each other about which class of people is more deserving of heartless scorn (as many blogs around here end with):

"A CNN reporter said police recovered three weapons at the scene: a Glock and a Sig-Sauer, which are handguns, as well as a .223 Bushmaster rifle. The rifle was found in the back seat of the car the gunman drove, while the handguns were inside the school." (this is a quote from the KPHO website)

So did the gunman use the rifle, which has been reported to be semiautomatic, in his rampage or just the two handguns? And where is Mike M. doing his blogging these days? I want to see what that dried up old teacher is saying about all this mayhem nowadays but I have lost track of how to find him.

Rick Kepple said...

I was really trying to avoid the school shooting thing, but CJ obviously needs to talk about it. And that's normal.

A psychological study found that schizophrenic people will become violent when mixed with alcohol. Put a few suicidal drugs in there and instant psycho. They want to ban something? Ban alcohol.

Washington state and Colorado are both sources of psychos. They now have legalized marijuana; a drug proven to calm people down. Coincidence?

Football is much more relaxing.

BTW, I talked to a realtor in Flagstaff. I can have my two dogs in an apartment there. Now I just have to sell the farm. Only asking $35,000. Donald Trump has that much lost in his couch!

Jim and I can golf occasionally! Go watch baseball. He can explain what kind of pitch the pitcher was throwing. In sports writing, editors want pitch names, then ask, "How did you know what it was?" So can't make that stuff up.

I think the entire world needs to start smoking weed and playing electric guitar. The music industry could bring back a version of the Peace Movement for making an armed population, happy.

midnightsstaff said...

I could probably give you his thoughts if that's what you call them Cj,
*evil gun god once again demanded another blood sacrifice*- eg.. all guns should be banned.

I guess that aspect of the problem irritates me more than anything else, responsible people can't enter a conversation on these issues in a logical, rational manner because they have already been accused and have to begin the discussion defending themselves against illogical leftist accusations in the courtroom of liberal opinion.

.."cliff notes"....Gabby Giffords was shot by Sarah Palin followed by a call for civil discourse followed by accusations and demands that guns be outlawed and innocent gun owners being called criminals by those demanding civility.
rinse and repeat.

It's pretty much the same discussion when it comes to the wedge issues of accused racism, false guilt over the natural disparity of wealth, resisting various socialist transfer of wealth schemes, constantly being attacked with phony class warfare shibboleths while being lectured to over all the other wonderful socialist building blocks of tyranny such as erecting a police state at the same time maintaining no border and encouraging unlimited access to our resources in Spanish to another nation.

Supposedly he shot his mother in the face with a 9mm, drove to another state and began executing children- I suppose we should take comfort in the fact at least he didn't gnaw any of their faces off first or spray them with gas and light them alive- that was another instance yesterday.

Marry Christmas yourself.
no, America is not a safe nation.

So it doesn't really matter if the .223 was used or not, it's guilty and must be pilloried because it is an "assault weapon" to the criminal class.

You can read all about the basic mechanics of tyranny in Animal Farm, they all apply to the new normal so
you don't need to dig deep for the parroted thoughts of a intellectual gnat like pink mike.
.."School teachers, taking them by and large, are probably the most ignorant and stupid class of men in the whole group of mental workers"
HLM.

amen to that observation.

CJ Phoenix said...

'Dried up old teacher' is a term of endearment coming from me, Middy, as I am sure that Mike M. is calling people who believe as I do 'gun nuts' somewhere right now as we speak. And isn't what you call anybody with any left-of-center opinions at all a term of endearment too? I mean, I thought it was. Coming from you anyway. I for one never take anything you call us too personally.

midnightsstaff said...

But it never gets to the point of a discussion, how can you carry a logical discussion with anyone who cannot back up their fantasies and refuse to listen to logic?

Once the Statist's fallacious arguments are backed into a rhetorical and logical corner they invariably go on personal attack - rinse and repeat.

Statists carp about the pitfalls of capitalism yet we haven't seen capitalism in operation in my lifetime except for Hong Kong.

do you realize that China and Russia both have lower personal taxation rates than we do? and not only that but China demands tax on the first dollar earned- everybody pays tax- yet we have a self serving president that is trying to head the other direction.

A brilliant observer once said..
"Democracy is the worst possible form of government except for all the rest"

..of course he was not talking about raw democracy as we just experienced in our last election farce, he was talking about representative form of government based on democratic ideals but we all know what he meant.

The time for discussion is over, we are now a thoroughly polarized society awaiting the next step, and it's not going to be a pleasant one.

Nope.. you hate me and others not for what I do but what I represent- it's irrationally justified, self sustaining and cannot be reasoned with.

Jim McAllister said...

CJ,

Mike is on the azc voices political blogs and of course, he has a comment on Newton.

I'm over there too and am one of the few conservatives among a lot of pissed off liberal women who feel that blogs should be as long as "War and Peace."

The trouble is, a person can't leave comments on that blog.

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