Friday, October 18, 2013

SOME FAVORITE THRILLER MOVIES

Bill Goodykoontz, the movie reviewer for the Arizona Republic, recently listed what he considers to be the best thriller films ever made.  They are not in any particular order and I agree with him on some of them.  I also think it is hard to pick from such a large selection so I will add a couple of my own to complement his list.

A word of warning:  I lean toward older films as I think they have the best stories and acting plus I am a nostalgia freak.  So, if you expect to see anything with Leonardo DiCaprio or Vince Vaughn you will be disappointed.

Three films on Bill’s list that I would immediately cross off are “Fight Club” (1999) with Brad Pitt, “Memento” (2000) with Guy Pearce and “The Silence of the Lambs” (1991) with Anthony Hopkins and Jodie Foster.  All three were snoozers to me as they delved into psychological situations that I don’t look for when viewing a movie.  As the great film producer Samuel Goldwyn (1879-1974) once said:  “If you want to send a message, use Western Union.”

The rest I can agree with starting with “Touch of Evil” (1958).  Orson Welles is great as a crooked police captain in a U.S.-Mexican border town (actually filmed in Venice, California).  It’s great film noir stuff with a fine cast of character actors plus a gorgeous thirty-one year old Janet Leigh playing the wife of Mexican (Mexican?) narcotics officer Charlton Heston.

“Rear Window” (1954) with Jimmy Stewart, Grace Kelly, and Raymond Burr is classic Alfred Hitchcock fare and I hope everyone has seen it by now.  Jimmy is a bit of a voyeur as he convalesces from injuries received while performing his job as a photo journalist.  Kelly is beautiful; Burr is typical Burr of that era.

“The Third Man” (1949) with Orson Welles, Joseph Cotten, and Alida Valli.  Film noir mystery and espionage in postwar Vienna with great zither background music throughout.  Valli is gorgeous!

Fred MacMurray and Barbara Stanwyck in 
"Double Indemnity" (1944)
“Psycho” (1960) Low budget with Anthony Perkins, Janet Leigh, Simon Oakland.  Is there anyone who hasn’t seen this film?  More classic Hitchcock with great musical score by Bernard Herrman.  Plus, it relates to Phoenix although not one frame was shot there other than a few exterior shots (click here for more on that).

“Double Indemnity” (1944)  Fred MacMurray, Barbara Stanwyck, Edward G. Robinson.  Fred is insurance agent who falls for floozy Stanwyck and her scheme to kill her husband for insurance dough.  Robinson should have gotten Best Supporting Actor for role as insurance investigator.  Great 1940’s dialogue and music.

“Bullitt” (1968)  What can I say other than it’s  one of Steve McQueen’s  best and has the car chase which thankfully didn’t really destroy that beautiful ’67 Dodge Charger!

“Dirty Harry” (1971) How can you not like a young, badass Clint Eastwood saying, “I know what you're thinkin', punk. You're thinkin' did he fire six shots or only five? Now to tell you the truth, I've forgotten myself in all this excitement."

Last but never least is “North by Northwest” (1959).  It’s more Hitchcock but I think that when it comes to the thriller genre, he was the best.  Great ending on Mount Rushmore and nice to know that Martin Landau overcame his fall off the mountain to continue his nice career!

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Mike said...

Loved all the Dirty Harry movies.

Al Robinson said...

A Hitchcock fan myself, Received my film degree at Columbia College in Chicago. Studied under Jack Whitehead who worked on special effects with Hitch at Elstree Studios. Lots of interesting stories about Hitchcock

Glowing Glo (soon) said...

Hey Jim & Bloggers! Yes, she’s baaaaaackkkkk….. From two glorious weeks in Turkey for the Big 6-OH, and some recovery time after my cancer operations 2 ½ weeks ago. Hopefully the upcoming radiation treatments will get me back in fighting and traveling shape. Hell – I’m already planning my next overseas trip.

I guess I’m not terribly attached to many of the old-time thrillers, but Psycho is always a good one. The film copies of the remake with Heche and Vaughn should be burnt and have Holy Water sprinkled on them. I do think Silence was a pretty good thriller, and as anyone who has heard my message on my answering machine can attest to, I have always had a fetish for Dirty Harry (but don’t discount the original Fatal Attraction of his: Play Misty for Me. I guess I am a little spoiled by car chases from recent movies, because I watched Bullitt a few months ago and was, well, kind of bored. But Steve McQueen in The Great Escape wow – whole ‘nother matter!).

I think for my plebian tastes, there have been a lot of good recent thrillers: Taken, Unknown (LOVE Liam Neeson as an action dude!), Unstoppable, The Bone Collector, to name a few. Ok, a few more (new and old): Black Sunday, Executive Decision, High Crimes, The Italian Job (remake), The Negotiator, The Mechanic (remake), The Fugitive, Three Days of the Condor. Too many more to name.

However, many of the old horror movies hold up better than thrillers (in my extremely humble opinion): Rosemary’s Baby, Halloween, The Omen, Poltergeist, The Howling. And, Ok, I’m just gonna say it:

I LOVE ARMAGEDDON!!!!!!!

I feel better having admitted that deep, dark, unfathomable secret …

Anonymous said...

The Seventh Victim, 1946.

Jim McAllister said...

From: Dr. John

Thanks! I always enjoy your blogs.

Jim McAllister said...

From: Larry Rupp:

It was so long ago that I can't recall the date or theatre, but Psycho was the one film that blew me right out of my seat.
I can't recall ever being so scared/shocked/you-name-it at a movie before or since. To think that someone would do that to Janet Leigh..............my God! Hitchcock was pure genius!
Larry

CJinPhoenix said...

I am not really clear on what "thriller" means, I guess. I am partial to horror films -- particularly old horror films as they tend to rely more heavily on the thrill & less on the gruesome details & heavy handed back story -- so I am going to try to make a short list of thrillers from what I know. One of my favorite old-timers who played some creepy characters is Robert Mitchum: "The Night of the Hunter" & "Cape Fear" come quickly to mind. Of a more modern variety, I love Stephen King movies. "The Shining" tops that list for me but close behind are the movies "Needful Things" & "It". Plus, the original "Carrie" -- haven't seen the remake yet -- simply because I just saw the original again & the ending still made me jump out of my skin a bit.

A few others might be "Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte" & "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" & "Rosemary's Baby" (Ruth Gordon kinda rocked the creepy character in that film)...

Are Clint Eastwood movies on the table? Over the Dirty Harry movies, I would nominate "The Beguiled"...And how about "High Plains Drifter"? I mean, I know it's a spaghetti western but there was lots of suspense involved too. Who was The Stranger anyway?

Anonymous said...

The Little Foxes, 1941

Jim McAllister said...

From: Randy Rogers

Jim,

Good Collection of Films, couldn’t agree more with ‘Touch of Evil, The Third Man and North by Northwest’, classics all. Bullet……………I had the Green ’68 GT, did red sidewalls! Ditto on Dirty Harry, classic. Actually caught the tail end of The French Connection the other night and Bill Hickman who was the last guy to be with James Dean before his fateful trip up the coast, plays Mulderig, and was the driver of the Chrysler in Bullet…………..big stunt driver and got a Credit in French Connection for same.

To Billy G., over all pretty good, but have yet to hear back from him as he had brought yup American Graffiti a few weeks ago (just on the other night, maybe best musical score ever), mentioned Spielberg and launching pad for so many, but he missed Bobby Falfa (Harrison Ford)!

All the best, have a great weekend.

Randy

P.S. That jacket over the shoulder shot has you right out of central casting as the Reporter.

Jim McAllister said...

rettajim@aol.com
9:03 AM (2 minutes ago)

Sorry, I don't like thriller movies ever since I saw "The Thing" as a young boy in Tuba City. I had nightmares for years.

Jim Johnson

midnightsstaff said...

I don't know where Vinnie Price fits in, either suspense or horror or a mix I guess.
I especially remember "The Conquer Worm" which was a fictionalized story about medieval witch hunts.. took me about a week to get a good night's sleep after that one.
**also a note to self.. (not a good date movie)..

midnightsstaff said...

Oh yeah.. "Duel" with Dennis Weaver... still get the chills just thinking about that one..

Anonymous said...

Basic Instinct

PROUD said...

Jim, I would disagree on Silence Of The Lambs,I was way more "thrilled" than "snoozed". Also strongly agree with Glo on Play Misty for Me, that bitch was even crazier than my first wife (Thank God)

Like CJ, I'm not sure where thriller tails off and horror kicks in...obviously some like Fri.13th and Texas Chainsaw are blood & guts but others are extremely suspenseful and thrilling. Others, like The Shinning while containing B7G, are extremely suspenseful...

The movie that had the single biggest scare /thrill factor thus far in my life was Friedkin's, The Exorcist....

I mean when that kid was strapped to the bed, and the Mom was walking the priest down the hall, and you hear the sounds coming from beyond the door!....it made me think: if that were my kid?, that my house?

I WOULD NEVER OPEN THAT DOOR,... JUST GET IN MY CAR AND DRIVE AS FAR, AND FAST AS I COULD, AND NEVER GO BACK....

midnightsstaff said...

Congratulations to the Coyotes for winning a boring game..
Came back in the third period against the Red Wings from two down to win it five to 2 with Mike Smith the goalie scoring an unassisted goal with .01 seconds left on the clock.. yep.. a real snoozefest..

Should have watched girls basketball scrimmage or the tape delay East German women's shot put event again.
haha..
..NHL hockey...best sport on earth- nothing without bikini's and mud is even close..

midnightsstaff said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V123BIh0bo4

video of the last minute of the game.. this is something I have never seen before..

Jim McAllister said...

Thanks for the comments, everyone. I've been too busy today to answer; will re-comment tomorrow.

Jim McAllister said...

From: Ken Honeyman, Florida

Jim, I've been watching director, Tod Browning's [b. 1880- Louisville, Ky.] early silent movies, as well as his, "Freaks"-1932 He is famous for his 1931 "Dracula". He retired to Malibu in 1939; lived till 1962. His uncle was famous ballplayer, "Old Pete" Browning who had batting title 3 yrs. in a row starting in 1887, and who gave the "Louisville Slugger" its reputation.

Jim McAllister said...

Almost forgot,

watching a Browning good one, "Devil's Doll"-1935. With Lionel Barrymore getting around very well dressed as a woman who makes "special" dolls.

ken honeyman

Anonymous said...

The Tall Man

pr said...

Forget shot putting, you should have watched baseball, it was anything but boring....

I must admit, I loved Smith's last second, full court,open net,goal....ALMOST as much as watching Victorino's grand slam sending my Bean Town Boys to the world series....

Sorry Jim, know you were pulling for the Tigers...

PROUD said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1awxwMjiE7k

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

Clint had a nice run with those films and it was great for audiences to see the bad guys get it. Today those films probably couldn't be made: too much brutality.

Jim McAllister said...

Alan,

You were a great contributor to my Hitchcok blog a while back; great clips of all his walk ons over the years.

I used to like his 30 minute TV shows in the 50s, especially the one where Barbara bel Geddes clobbers Allan Lane over the head with the frozen leg of lamb and the cop investigators eat the evidence.

His 60s hour long shows (still seen nightly on Encore Mysteries) didn't quite have his normal touch.

Jim McAllister said...

Glo,

I love your attitude; that's a big factor in your recovery.

"Play Misty For me" was a great film and Jessica Walter should have gotten Best Actress for 1971.

The car chase in "Bullitt" is a good one but they should have varied the background cars a little more. Too many shots of that VW and it looks a bit phony that every other car is going about 5 mph.

A guy I know on the TCM blogs had the raw footage of the end of the chase. Pretty cool the way they did that.

Are you talking about Charles Bronson's "The Mechanic"? Great film. Bronson was a fave of mine especially in that opening scene with him, Jack Elam, and Woody Strode at the train station in "Once Upon a Time in the West" (1968).

Jim McAllister said...

Anonymous,

You must reveal yourself! I don't meet many people who know much about the Val Lewton films.

The guy was a genius and "The Seventh Victim" was one of his best along with "Cat People" and "I Walked with a Zombie" starring gorgeous Frances Dee, Joel McCrea's wife.

He did a lot with small budgets.

Jim McAllister said...

Larry,

Hard to beat "Psycho". Besides Janet Leigh and Perkins, a great cast of character actors with John Anderson as "California Charlie", Mort Mills, John McIntire, and Simon Oakland.

No movie would make it with out the supporting players.

Jim McAllister said...

CJ,

Thrillers and horror films are pretty closely related. Both keep the viewer on the edge of their seat. Horror films might tend to be a bit more gory but not necessarily.

You list some good ones: Mitchum was scary chasing those kids in "Night of the Hunter", truly a great film of 1955 with an excellent role for Lillian Gish. I always think of his tattooed fingers when I think of that film.

Mitchum was scary in "Cape Fear" too. The remake with DeNiro wasn't too bad but it's hard to beat Robert Mitchum.

Speaking of scary, Nicholson in "The Shining" was certainly that. ("Here's Johnny!")

Jim McAllister said...

Anonymous,

"The Little Foxes" (1941) made the magic transition from Broadway play to film without a hitch.

Bette Davis was in fine form and that film marked the debut of some good future stars like Dan Duryea, Teresa Wright.

I still say one of the greatest screen kisses ever was in "The Best Years of Our Lives" (1946) when Dana Andrews walks Wright to her car after they have lunch and he lays the big kiss on her. The look on her face is priceless!

Jim McAllister said...

Randy,

Red sidewalls? Love the Bill Hickman reference. I have always wondered if James Dean would have retained his mystique had he lived. My guess is he would have run his course; the young crowd is a fickle crowd and his sulking style would have faded.

I agree on the "American Graffiti" soundtrack, great oldies and having Wolfman as the DJ was genius. I remember him blasting away on XERF in Del Rio, TX.

They asked "Where were you in '62?" I was serving my second of 4 years in the USAF stationed at Whiteman AFB Missouri drinking too much beer and chasing too many girls! Ah, remembering the horny years.

That photo was from a party a couple years ago in Phoenix and is actually candid.

Jim McAllister said...

Jim,

How did the Indians like "The Thing" in those long ago days of yore on the rez?

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Price was a great supporting actor in a lot of films in the 40s and 50s but probably made most of his money on films like "The Conqueror Worm" and others like it. Hell, a guy has to eat, right? You can't eat good reviews.

Jim McAllister said...

Anonymous,

"Basic Instinct" was definitely a torrid film. Oh, if we could only go back to 1992 and see the Sharon Stone of that era again! Did anyone notice that Wayne Knight of Newman fame from "Seinfeld" had a part in that film?

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

No question on "The Exorcist" being one of the scariest ever. Barb and I saw that over the Christmas holidays in 1973 in Kansas City. Afterwards, we went to Houlihan's on the Plaza for a couple of large beers to wind down.

Ellen Burstyn went on to some good stuff but poor Linda Blair just made bad films after that. Maybe the studios thought she really was the devil!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Unbelievable by Smith. The only other time I've seen the goalie score was when Michel Plasse put one in for the Kansas City Blues in about 1969 and that was a minor league game at the old American Royal Arena in the stockyards.

Smith didn't screw around; he hit the center of the net.

Jim McAllister said...

Ken,

"Freaks" was a scary film since those characters were all real. I'm sure the Depression audiences of 1932 were mesmerized by something so off the wall.

Not to be picky but this is a picky business. LOL It was "Devil Doll," not "Devil's." It's a fave of mine as I am a big Lionel Barrymore fan and of the rest of that cast which included a young and beautiful Maureen O'Sullivan (who died in Scottsdale in 1998 at 87).

Good character actors in the fine cast also like Arthur Hohl and Robert Greig who normally fought Charles Coleman for the butler parts in those days.

I think IMDB has the title wrong with "The Devil Doll". There is no "The".

Jim McAllister said...

Anonymous,

Are you sure you don't mean "The Tall Men" with Clark Gable and Jane Russell?

Jim McAllister said...

pr,

I have nothing against Boston other than along with crapholes like San Francisco and Seattle it is probably one of the most liberal cities in the country.

That homer was about all that Victorino did in the Series but it certainly was enough.

I don't care about Detroit; I'm a Reds fan and they are all fishing now. I like Sherzer and every time he wins it shows what dumb asses the D-backs are for giving up on him. He was 21-3 and won a couple playoff games; cinch for the Cy Young. Same with Chris Johnson (.321, 28 homers this year).

Then Towers say he needs a power hitter next year. He had Johnson and whether we like Upton or not, he was a power hitter who did well in Atlanta this year.

How about another cast off, Steven Drew. He's only in the World Series!

Go figure, huh?

Jim McAllister said...

p.s. pr,

You call that a home run by Victorino? In that cheesy little excuse for a ball park, I could fungo one that far! LOL

PROUD said...

Jim....I don't see a lot of difference between a ball park with left field fence at 315-318 from home plate, and a fence ht. at 8-10 ft....or Fenway Park with 310- to-315 from the plate but with a fence(wall/monster) that's 37 feet tall?

midnightsstaff said...

It's called character.. the green monster gives the game some charm.. nothing worse than having to watch baseball in some damn airplane hanger.
Montreal had the worst park in the majors until it mercifully got put to sleep.
amen..
I pretty much saw the writing on the wall with baseball when Wrigley field got lights.
Television is killing sports, we all know the issues just some of us continue to ignore the obvious.
Bill (the gimp) Buckner... now that's what real Red Sox legends are made of.
..the freakin' Mets for cryin' out loud.

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

It's not the home runs, it's the cheap singles and doubles hit off that short wall that would be caught in a typical ball park that is 365 or so to the alleys.

St. Louis will kill them in the Series. They are on a roll after that drubbing of the Dodgers.

If the BoSox can resusitate Billy Monbouquette, Ted Williams, Johnny Pesky,and Carlton Fisk with Pinky Higgins as manager, they may have a chance.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

True about Olympic Stadium in Montreal; terrible place. They were better off at Jarry Park where Joe Morgan used to hit them into the pool behind the right field wall.

TV is killing sports. I like having Thursday Night NFL but the players and coaches hate it and I can see why. If TV tells teams to play at 3:00 AM they will do it because they want the dough. It's all about greed.

I thought Peyton was going to bring the Broncos back tonight. I question that call up the middle from the 2 that caused the fumble late. They should have gone outside like what got them there.

CJ Phoenix said...

"Dragonwyck" from 1946 with Vincent Price & Gene Tierney is pretty good too. Nobody will ever beat or even parallel Vincent Price's performances of decadent patrician gentlemen -- evil but noble at the same time -- in those old black & white thrillers.

Jim McAllister said...

CJ,

You're right; Price was a master of those parts.

PROUD said...

OK, topic is about film "thrillers"....but hows bout a "presser" thriller?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/21/Obamacare-phone-number-fail

Bravo inept government, BRAVO

(be afraid, VERY AFRAID)

Stevebuzzardo said...

Jim, what did you think about Dusty Baker being fired?
The Reds announcers where really criticizing Baker during the last game of the season.

Im surprised that Obama didn't make a speech about how racist the Reds are for firing a black manager.

Jim McAllister said...

Proud,

That's hilarious. Did O really think that the 800 number would not possibly be busy?

Just another example of the lack of common sense the guy has. But, as long as he has those free phones and food stamps, he could get elected to 10 more terms by the idiots in this country.

Fortunately even a lot of libs are now taking potshots at him (i.e. Huff Post). They are slow learners. They are now saying some things that we knew long ago.

The guy is inept; it's just one thing after another.

Jim McAllister said...

Buzz,

It was probably about time for Baker. A guy can only win so many divisions and wild cards before the owners start getting antsy for more.

It probably started with the playoffs last year when the were up 2-0 to San Fran on the road then blew three straight at home to bow out.

I remember Bobby Castellini when I was growing up in Hyde Park in Cincy. He was a fiend of a friend and I knew him a little bit. Really a wise mouth little rich kid.

From what I see of him now, he is very demanding and impatient and probably hard to work for so dumping Baker may have been done on impulse.

Good luck to the new guy whoever it may be. Maybe Jim Leyland would take it. I see he quit at Detroit today.

Stevebuzzardo said...


wow, Jim Leyland quit. I didn't know that.

I was surprise the way the announcers where really criticizing the way Baker was managing.

PROUD said...

Sorry to see Leyland go, he was a class act. But as someone almost as old I can fully understand why he would not want to put himself through another year working in a pressure cooker job, especially if they go playoffs / series...

Hell my stomach hurts managing from my couch, can only imagine how many Tagamets one would need to eat to be in the dugout...

(bet he's rethought his decision on pulling Scherzer when he did?)

Mike said...

As a like long Dodger fan I was hoping for an L.A. Detroit World Series but it wasn't meant to be.

I'm a NL guy so I'll be rooting for the Cardinals.

PROUD said...

***Just In From Our: "YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP" dept:

Obama admits healthcare website sucks, advises people to "phone a friend"......................

3-1/2 years after they said it would cost $80 million, it cost 6 to 7 times that amount...."21 days after they rolled out, THE LAUNCH", the much touted, ridiculously exorbitant, health care.gov website is such an abysmal failure that even Pres. Obama has to finally admit it...So what's a guy do when his only big accomplishment turns out to be a ginormous cluster f-i-asco???

He gives a speech telling people to "use the phone instead" BUT... There's just one little problem,(problemo if you pressed 2) Which is:

The 800 number he repeatedly gave out: CRASHED
(not that it mattered, you see the "we're the government and here to help you" people that WOULD have been on the other end,( aka, NAVIGATORS), have to rely on the unresponsive website to enroll people...BUT THANKS FOR CALLING, and try again real soon)....

Proving yet again, that what ever government gets it's hands on costs more and satisfies less. If they can't get their shyt together after nearly 4 yrs, and at a cost 6 times what they THEMSELVES said it would be....Why in the world would anyone believe their handling of your very health will be any better?

Hell....this "launch" makes the North Korean space program look good!

midnightsstaff said...

testing

midnightsstaff said...

Baker is nearly as stupid as anyone that has ever worn a uniform, he had no business ever getting that job but there you go- got the IQ of broccoli.

You would think that standing in the outfield scratching his sack as long as he did he might try to watch the game and learn something, but I guess it wasn't in the stars.

Managers represent the dirty jock hamper of MLB, they never really get rinsed out, just every once and a while some drunken owner decides to dig to the bottom looking for the freshest or at least the driest one available and ends up forced into hiring one.

He will make a great third base coach somewhere.. all you need to do is try not to get hit by a line foul, windmill one arm or palms down a play at the bag- hardest part is remembering how many outs there are and where you parked the car.. the players don't listen anyway and regularly run through their signs so little damage is be done.

midnightsstaff said...

anyone else getting a .."You have created the maximum number of comments for today, please try again tomorrow".-message when trying to post?

PROUD said...

middy...I get that message from my WIFE, at least once a day!

midnightsstaff said...

Proud.. this was never intended to work, they want it to be such a failure that people finally demand a one payer system..
Repeat after me.."it has nothing to do with healthcare or health insurance and everything about replacing the Constitution with a new agreement".. sheesh..

Three and a half years, 700 million dollars, three weeks in and still people can't get a quote... it is all by design; now they can run out the clock and start fining people.

Obama voters simply built their own gallows.. no free medicine and no choices, now for the death panels- that's the easy part because hospitals will start closing down for good soon as the board of directors realize the diminishing returns Obamacare mandates represent.

Good luck trying to get to a Cardiologist or a Nephrologist in six months once this is in place; additionally it will probably be a PA cardiologist that may or may not speak your language- Roberts said they can tax someone anything they want but they still cannot force you to work for free, after a while the good doctors will simply leave the country or do something else like take an early retirement.

PROUD said...

Midy...In light of what's comming....

What says me & you place an ad on craig's list offering huge discounts on our Gynecologist services?

No appt necessary...Never a wait, just remove your cloths, close your eye's and wait in THE BACK OF THE VAN...

I men, in light of today's dumbed down population...poor economy creating craig-list bargain seekers...

I think we could field a successful practice/...(for a day, maybe two)

:-)-

Pevie Hicks said...

iNTERUPT THIS BLOG, FOR A COMMERCIAL MESSAGE:


"."I got this 60 inch TV for absolutely NUTHIN"....

on; STEAL&DASH.COM

midnightsstaff said...

I think I'm going to leave the girl part doctoring to the creative younger entrepreneurs.
I figure unless you get to sort em yourself, it's just too chancy..
Have you been to a waiting room lately?
..besides I have a problem with females sportin' tattoos and a few other bad habits they might be hiding..

Through the ages men have admired the elegant canoe for her graceful lines, fragile yet with near miraculous strength and have considered the canoe both a thing of beauty and useful function, I would imagine however that working a few years on a canoe assembly line probably takes the bloom off that rose wouldn't ya think?

PROUD said...

Did you guys see Ohio State marching band's tribute to Michael Jackson?

Gigantic figure of Jackson moonwalks down the field....Very creative and I bet hard to pull off:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydNNelt5hSE

Don't usually care for marching bands, right up there with tractor pulls, but these guys are GOOD!

Jim McAllister said...

Pardon me, but is this the sorriest ass example you have ever seen of Obama making a pitch for his failure health care plan?

I wonder what acting group that girl belongs to? Ace Trucking Company? Maybe Saturday Night live?

Obama is so desperate on his healthcare failure that he has resorted to using props!

Watch this: (1:26)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVTTJbtdij8

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

Leyland pulled Sherzer twice against Boston when he was pitching great.

Big mistakes but I can't fault him. It's a percentages business and you go with with past performance. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work which makes me realize one thing: I should be a manager. I can guess as good as the next guy.

Leyland needed to get out. He's 68 and looks 88. I remember how he used to chain smoke in the dugout during his days with Pittsburgh and the Chisox.

I wish Gibson would take the Detroit job. I'm not much of a fan of his.

Jim McAllister said...

I'm with you, Mike. National league all the way where their is no designated hitter; the scourge of baseball. It should be dumped.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

I agree; many managers get way more credit than they deserve. I don't care how good a manager is; if he doesn't have players he is done.

I'm sure Casey Stengel was still a good manager while with the '62 Mets but they lost 120 games; still a record.

I wonder what happened that made him suck all of a sudden. Gee, maybe it was that he no longer had Mantle, Maris, Berra, Ford, Bauer, Kubek, etc. Nah!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

That message probably was for you only. Your reputation precedes you! LOL!

midnightsstaff said...

I once had a promising future in baseball, the only thing that held me back was lack of talent..

Remember the great story Bob Uker told about when he was drafted?..

.." The agent for the Yankees came to my dad's house and said we'd like to sign your son to play for three thousand dollars a year, my dad just looked down at the table with tears welling up and said..
.."mr. we just don't have that kind of money"..

Yeah baseball used to be fun..

Jim McAllister said...

Pevie,

There are probably a lot of guys on the south side of Chicago and other cities who are saying, "What's the big deal about a free 60" TV?"

Those ads are funny; it's nothing but an auction.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

I still say getting a degree in tattoo removal will be a good idea when that fad disappears and everyone wants to ditch those dumb ass things.

I have a standing rule: never submit to a fad that is hard to get rid of. Stick with ugly clothes, bad haircuts, beards and mustaches, etc.

A lot less heartache and a helluva lot cheaper.

Jim McAllister said...

Who's Michael Jackson?

He is old stuff; we have too love a talentless Miley Cyrus now!

Jim McAllister said...

Where is Rod McKuen when we need him?

I'm still grieving over Pat Paulsen.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Great Uecker joke; he was one funny guy when he first retired. I remember his act on Johnny Carson. He had great timing.

I think he still does the Brewers games on radio.

Jim McAllister said...

Baseball was definitely more fun in the past when the players weren't so rich. Now they can tell autograph seeking kids to f--- off!

The Cincy Reds used to happily give autographs before games. They were flattered to be asked. After all, how many wintertime used car salesmen got asked for autographs?

I remember when Colangelo had the D-backs he asked the players to give autographs before games and they rushed to their union to complain. They finally agreed to 10 minutes before games twice A WEEK.

WHAT A BUNCH OF SELF IMPORTANT PRICKS!

midnightsstaff said...

Not to get you off track on the subject at hand which could be football, baseball, hockey, college marching bands, amateur gynecology, overall male admiration of canoes- their design and utility , fainting goats, chain smoking colorful baseball managers, designated hitters, tattoo removal, twerking naughties and grudging autographs along with the thin, ocassional homage to the thriller on the silver screen... but did anyone tell the Red Menace there has been another outrage in the War on Women?..

.."American women participated in the nation’s labor force in September at a rate that matched the lowest level in 24 years, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
At the same time, the number of women actually holding jobs declined by 154,000 from August to September.
Because the number of women participating in the labor force declined in September, the drop in the number of women who were actually employed did not cause an increase in the unemployment rate for women.
In fact, even though 154,000 fewer women worked in August than September, the unemployment rate for women dropped from 6.8 percent to 6.7 percent"..

Seems like there must be some diabolical plot unleashed by the party of stupid (GOP) that has caused the modern domestic- (only because they sleep indoors)- American working gal a minor setback..

PROUD said...

How about a few laughs,(at Obama Care's expense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qtx_ZcHOjw#t=580

:-)

Mike said...

Yeah baseball used to be fun back in the 50's and 60's but not today.

Going to miss the first game of the series because I'm leaving to go on a scouting trip with my son for a few days. He got a Bighorn Sheep tag this year in Southern Arizona near the Mexican border. Don't know which we will see more of sheep or illegals.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

The number of working women has diminished because any of them that are good looking enough to get some rich guy are simply retiring and getting married or living with the guy to spend his money. Why work if you don't have to?

Unfortunately, the red menace DOES NOT qualify as good looking and must continue to work. She lacks looks; other women with a brain lack self righteousness.

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

Stewart is really funny on that clip; everyone should watch it.

Even the libs like him are having fun with this monumental screw up.

I'm sure Obama has Apple pissed off now. On Neil Cavuto today they had a clip of Obama saying that Apple had lots of screw ups with new stuff. What?

It's not on You Tube yet but watch it when it gets posted.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

Take plenty of Ammo and be safe.

PROUD said...

Hate to tell Mike, but some (MANY) are still finding baseball just as much fun today....As back in the 50-60's....

Lighten up...way to grumpy...

There's plenty of time for us to turn into our Dad's and bitch about the way things USED TO BE!

Anonymous said...

Bet nuthin happens too them
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/muslim-soldiers-attempt-to-lure-12-year-old-girl-for-sexual-purposes-in-missouri/

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

The great Rogers Hornsby, (1896-1963) .358 lifetime hitter used to say:

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring.

The man flat ass loved to play the game. Have you noticed how many guys today don't even run full bore to first base? I don't know who would kick their asses the most, Pete Rose or Hornsby.

I remember when Wade Boggs was washed up playing for Tampa and barely squeezed out his 3,000 hit. When Pete Rose (1941- ) was asked how he felt about Boggs making it to 3,000, he said: "Hell, I got more hits than that batting left handed."

You don't hear great lines like that from ball players today.

midnightsstaff said...

I agree, the sport used to keep those remnants of the past around just for color.

Jimmie Reese who was a coach for the Angels in the seventies claimed to have roomed with Babe Ruth's suitcase.. inside joke, he could pitch batting practice using the fungo bat.. he could hit a five gallon paint can in the field nine out of ten times.. what a throwback from the past.
He was with a fungo stick what Ozzie was with a glove.

7 pm puck drop tonight Jimmy, the Cal-gary Flames are in town.. Shane Doan is out on a lower body injury..

PROUD said...

Jim, I know salaries and commercial endorsements have evolved, players unions have a lot of power, and the game has changed but I still maintain there's one helluva a lot of very special talent for baseball fans to still get excited about, just as we did when we were young...

For starters, we just watched a little man from ASU, with a huge heart, a guy who plays every pitch at 110%, no matter the inning or the score...his name is Dustin Pedroia.

There are lots of other "times of yore" contemporaries like: Mariano Riveria, Tim Lincecum, Miguel Cabrera...Great today, would be just as great if you transported them into any other era...

It's too easy for folks to become cynical when you start thinking about their enormous salaries and contract demands, but if you really look at how they play ball...some of today's guys are freakin great, albeit multi millionaire, ball players.

A couple Yankee's that fit that bill are Alex A-Rod and Dereck Jeter...sure they are media prima-donna's, livin the high life, but damn, if you look at the level of play, their intensity, their ability to come through with a clutch play in a crucial situation...These guys are as good as they EVER get /got!

midnightsstaff said...

So how long you been working for the players association?
haha..

Seriously the Coyotes played another gem tonight and it looks like the system is starting to click.
Ribero is finally getting comfy and they seem to have a better grip on that elusive power play or at least show signs of improvement.
..with a little luck this might be a good season and maybe take it for a little ride.

Jim McAllister said...

Replies in the morning. Thanks, gents.

Actually one comment: A-Rod is a dope taking, wise mouthed jerk who should be kicked out of baseball and banned for life from any affiliation..

Jeter is the opposite. He has always been the utmost in class. I remember him as a rookie against Atlanta in the '96 Series. He was about 19 and was totally mature. He's 40 now and injured. He's a credit to baseball and I hate to see him have to retire.

PROUD said...

I hear you about A-Rod Jim, but being a jerk doesn't erase the fact that the man is / was a great ball player. Point is, back in the day lots of people were saying pretty much the same stuff,(over weight, wouldn't train, hard drinking, up all night partying, couldn't run to first, terrible temper tantrums, yada, yada) about the Babe....

The game hasn't changed as much as the fans have...

PROUD said...

President Obama said: "if you're having trouble with the website, use the mail.

Only the Federal Government could develop a website that's slower than the mail!

Jay Leno

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

The babe also hit 714 home runs in the days when the ball was dead, the fences were far out, and there was no green background in center field to see the ball easier like there is now.

The babe only made it to 53 (1895-1948) too many cigarettes got him. Those guys definitely partied hard in those days.

Jim McAllister said...

Great line by Leno. He has razzed O pretty much. He is probably being spied on.

I can't believe fu---ing Obama still has any support but they say he is still reeling in the cash.

Now he has Merkel pissed off and Hollande because of spying plus the O-Care bullshit. Even his own guys in show biz are getting on his ass. I love it.

Stevebuzzardo said...


ObamaCare is what happens when you DON'T find out what's in the bill, BEFORE you pass it

Where's Pelosi now?

LOL, this is Obama's signature legislation . What a joke.

the funny thing is listening to all of the excuses. It is very entertaining.

midnightsstaff said...

On the other hand I hear the chocolate ration is going to be increased from thirty grams to twenty five grams soon..

Fancy pants is incapable of thinking these type of things through, but honestly I doubt the operations aspect of the issue ever interested him in the first place; he was only interested in establishing a beachhead for totalitarian control of everyone's life and destroying the Constitution at the same time.

This can no longer be disguised as a political battle a rational person can engage in, it never was in the first place.
It's thirties Germany part II, that's indisputable, what particular year is just an opinion only now we have a complete melt down going unreported in Japan and walk away nuclear suitcases in who know's who's hands.

oooohh just got a twerk tweet... gotta go.

Jim McAllister said...

Steve, Middy.

According to news tonight, there are about 6 senators including Joe Manchin rebelling on O-care and wanting it delayed. Do you think Harry Reid will take a vote? LOL

This thing is snowballing and it's the Dems' own fault.

I love that too.

Yeah, where is Pelosi? That comment about reading this mess in 2010 will haunt her forever. She is probably busy in San Fran enjoying that Star Kist money.

midnightsstaff said...

1-800-FUCK YO..

Hey, just making sure everyone know the official U.S. Government ObamaCare "Navigation" hotline number..
..figured I should list it again in case someone like Cj needs to call and sign up for some free healthcare- she might not have been able to get registered yet, I hear there has been some issues..
better hurry, those IRS penalties add up fast.

Is that a cheap shot?- you answer that question yourself once you realize every aspect of this failure was accurately predicted by people like myself along with damn near fifty percent of the rest of the nation nearly six years ago.

We have cultivated a nation of thieving gypsies that cannot add two and two but certainly can vote multiple times if necessary for no other use than voting it seems.
I suppose after fifty years of socialism being jammed up our collective ass it could be expected.
Problem is now what do we do with an obese, disease ridden, morally corrupt freeshitarmy that has no value whatsoever to productive society and also represents a serious physical threat to decent people everywhere?- what do we do- take them to the pound??

A penny's worth of prevention is worth a ton of cure- I'm pretty sure it's simply too late for any happy ending- just wait until Barry decides to release the Kraken by cutting SNAP cards.
Better get ready because it will happen.

midnightsstaff said...

https://www.facebook.com/Healthcare.gov

lol..

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

That facebook page pretty much says it all. The government is making it difficult to sign up plus once someone gets through they quickly find out what a screw it is for the policy cost and the deductible.

Obama has been skating on thin ice for a while now and getting away with it because he is supposed to be the big noir saver of this country from those mean Capitalists.

Fortunately, Obamacare may be his undoing (Waterloo?) as he got in way over his head on this one. Just one quick read of those facebook comments says it all.

It's virtually impossible to access the site and when one does they get the bad news about the costs. Bad formula! Plus the young people who are supposed to be the backbone of the whole fiasco are saying FU!

So true about the scumbags now inhabiting this country. Incident after incident shows they are out there. How about that biker beating up that driver? How about that gang of black kids beating up that white couple in Chicago the other day? It just keeps happening.

I never thought I would ever carry a gun for protection in this country but I sure do now. I hope I never have to use it but if the situation arises, I will not hesitate.

midnightsstaff said...

It appears that you and I share the same view as Dr. Sowell does..
http://spectator.org/archives/2013/10/24/race-hustling-results-part-iii
.."One of the reasons for being glad to be as old as I am is that I may be spared living to see a race war in America. Race wars are often wars in which nobody wins and everybody ends up much worse off than they were before"..

I always try to read his missives on any subject, I wish Rush would just do the right thing, retire and let Walter Williams have his show, every time he fills in Tom calls in and the conversation is a conversation like we used to hear in America's barbershops and taverns- yet he is ignored and IQ challenged, hate filled motormouths with nothing positive to add to the conversation such as Sharpton or that fool Bill O'Reilly gets the tv show.

PROUD said...

Hearings today have contractors that built? the website claiming it was the administrations directive to hide the costs until the end of the procedure that led to much of the site's problems. As usual....finger's pointing every which way!

Speaking of hearings Jim,...did you hear about game 1 ?

I think Frank Flemming has a way with (few) words, here's todays:

"We have to begin the apocalypse to know what's in it"

midnightsstaff said...

.."An Indian walks into a cafe with a shotgun in one hand pulling a male buffalo with the other. He says to the waiter: “Want coffee.” The waiter says, “Sure. Coming right up.” He gets the Indian a tall mug of coffee……

The Indian drinks the coffee down in one gulp, turns and blasts the buffalo with the shotgun, causing the animal to splatter everywhere and walks out.

The next morning the Indian returns. He has his shotgun in one hand, pulling another male buffalo with the other. He walks up to the counter and says to the waiter: “Want coffee.”

The waiter says “Whoa! We’re still cleaning up your mess from yesterday. What was all that about, anyway?”

The Indian smiles and proudly says, “Training for position in United States Congress: Come in, drink coffee, shoot the bull, leave shit for others to clean up, disappear for rest of day"..

midnightsstaff said...

AMERICAN-LEAGUE-CHAMPS-WORLD-SERIES-CERAMIC-MUG-5-1-2-/360621414027?pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item53f6b6168b

well despite the fact that mine is in better shape it appears my investment turns out to be a loser when you figure the ten bucks I invested has not kept up to inflation.. pretty much the same as the entire sport.
But if I hang on another twenty seven years it should be worth at least thirty bucks.

..gonna make this investment pay off no matter if it takes my whole lifetime..

midnightsstaff said...

Thumbnail rule of the definition of irony...
.."you didn't build that!"..

midnightsstaff said...

A police spokeswoman, Tamrin Olden, said the officer’s weapons was mounted on a rack on his motorcycle, and presented as part of a drug-prevention presentation at Newman Elementary School on Wednesday. One of the children listening to the officer sneaked up and pulled the trigger. The bullet smashed a metal plate that then shattered and sent debris flying in to the audience.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/24/california-kids-hurt-after-cops-ar-15-fires/#ixzz2ifh1e7W9

Idiot cop should be fired this morning.. bringing a loaded, chambered and evidently off safe firearm into classroom- (something somewhat more justifiable if walking point on patrol or on ambush in NVA infested territory) and then leaving it unattended with Kindergarteners around.. is there any excuse anyone can offer for this level of incompetence and disregard for public safety?
short answer .. no.

midnightsstaff said...

Incompetence is found in all departments..
I once found a fully loaded 870 with a OObuck round chambered and off safety in the vertical rack of our outside patrol vehicle while checking the gear at shift change..

That moron evidently did not know how to check or clear the weapon which is standard protocol at the beginning and end of every shift..
check and double check even if you are the only one ever handling the piece.. sop.

Something becoming routine is the cause of many accidents..

midnightsstaff said...

Should be a good game tonight with the Kings in LA- looks like Doan will skate so let the bad blood flow..
I expect this one to be a physical game.
7.30 start for some reason..

Jim McAllister said...

Middy, PROUD,

Just another chapter in O'bama's book of incompetent, senseless ideas:

Wouldn't you think that with the healthcare fiasco leading the headlines that this guy would be more involved with that little morsel of interest? Hell no, now he wants to have unisex hats in the Marines!

Those guys will go nuts; already they are protesting and calling them "girly hats."

It's bad enough the guy never even served; now he thinks he is an authority on men having to wear women's hats with their uniforms.

Jim McAllister said...

Sowell is right; too bad he is 83 and past his working prime. Guys like him Allen West, and Ben Carson are so much sharper than Obama it's unbelievable.

Carson made a lifelong enemy of Obama with that breakfast they shared a while back. Carson spoke for 30 minutes nailing Obama's ideas especially Obamacare.

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

Shades of dear Nancy from Mr. Fleming. Where hole do these goddam women politicians crawl out of in California? Feinstein, Boxer, Pelosi, and that black woman from L. A. Maxine Walters.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Good Indian joke. Oopss! not supposed to say Indian. Those Redskins, Oops again!

How about those guys who wear buckskin clothes and get drunk too much in Gallup, OOps!!!

Never mind!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

By the way: 7-4 tonight against the Kings; not so good. I didn't see the game was it that lopsided?

PROUD,

4-2 tonight so the Series is 1-1 heading for St. Louis for three games.

Boston has their work cut out for them. No 300 ft. homers in the National League. LOL I'll say Cards in 6.

midnightsstaff said...

yeah..

Pevie Hicks said...

Any truth to the Rumor that The White House is considering changing the name of Obama-Care to: (wait for it.

FAILURE TO LAUNCH?

Mike said...

Jim, back from the scouting trip. Saw some nice rams. Didn't see any illegals but did see a lot of border patrol agents.

We took plenty of guns and ammo. Pays to be safe.

Proud, so you like baseball today, well good for you. I'll sleep better at night knowing you're happy.

PROUD said...

Mike...Thanks, but I doubt it...

You seem pretty comfortable as a complaining old fart...

Enjoy!

Glo, Part Effen Redskin said...

Jim,

As a part-Native American (don't like Indian because I'm NOT from India, thank you Wrong-Way-Columbus), I sincerely hope that the owner of the REDSKINS does NOT change the name of the team. Jesus H. CHRIST! Enough with this rabid, psychotic political correctness bullshit!!! AIIIIIIEHHH!

Anonymous said...

There are two Muslim soldiers from a foreign country in a Midwestern small town for trying to kidnap a preteen American girl and why isn't the media all over this?

midnightsstaff said...

..maybe it's because the media are letting the "Won" change the subject from the biggest fraudulent laced disaster ever created by government to illegal alien amnesty which is now being championed by Darryl Issa.. Republican turncoat.

Yeah.. mr. "get to the bottom of fast and furious" is now forwarding legislation giving every illegal already here a mulligan.
.."and in six years we will shut the door for good"...

Small matters like Sharia law being observed on American soil or normal every day cases of Islamicoutrage don't come up to the new standards of what or what isn't newsworthy.
After all, it's not considered child molestation in Islamic countries if you intend to someday marry them..

No sense going on my usual Republican rant- everyone probably knows by now I consider them worse pond scum than the Nazi's on the other side.

Oh.. Honey Boo Boo reruns.. gotta go.

midnightsstaff said...

Well folks it appears the tide is turning- I wonder how Arizona places in this study..

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/survey-marks-2nd-year-crime-increases-20669881

.."Things have gotten so bad in Chicago that a 14-year-old girl was sexually assaulted as she was walking to a bus stop this week and it barely made a blip on the news.

But we have come to expect this kind of thing in crime-infested cities such as Chicago. We don't expect it to happen in "quiet communities" such as Augusta, Georgia"..

I got to admit that I'm kind of appalled at the lack of focus the common criminal has been reduced to lately..

.."While in his patrol car at an intersection on Jefferson two weeks ago, Police Chief James Craig was nearly carjacked, police spokeswoman Kelly Miner confirmed today.
Craig said he was in a marked police car with mounted lights when a man quickly tried to approach the side of his car. Craig, who became police chief in June, retold the story Monday during a program designed to crack down on carjackings"..

..Like Will Rogers said- ya just can't make this stuff up, they would never believe you..
..but then you have the cop who let the kid pull the trigger on his AR at show and tell the other day..

PROUD said...

Remember how libs used to go on and on about Bush / Cheney and the infamous Halliburton "no=bid" contracts?

You'd think something like this would bother them:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/michelle-obamas-princeton-classmate-is-executive-at-company-that-built-obamacare-website/

You'd think??????

midnightsstaff said...

Well Proud, I'll raise your bet and take one more card.. (just to bait the hook)

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/26/company-behind-obamacare-website-in-charge-of-nearly-2-billion-in-sandy-relief/

Lol....you act as tho there is ever only one roach in the closet...

.."After a day of intense therapy by the Coyote's psychological response team, the BiPolarCoyotes are reportedly as the team Hypnotist stated... "as ready as they will ever be" to take on the Edmonton Oil today at the Job"..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/nutzodinkydau...

Yeah that game Thursday night is something they might want to get off the short term memory books.. it was as ugly as a man's ass.

PROUD said...

I guess if we are going to bet on corruption in this most transparent administration,((ever)) The pot is gunna get pretty high!

midnightsstaff said...

puck drop at noon ... no nap today..

Imagine Obamacare might be the Achilles heel that puts socialism back where it belongs.
..time to clean up the nation tho.. might want to start with the media traitors and send a message, wouldn't surprise me one bit if that is the direction this goes.
..now for some polite competition on the ice.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Much too much sensivity today. (See comment to Glo above).

It all starts at the top with that sorry ass excuse we have for a president who wants the marines to change their hats to a unisex look. F---ing loser.

Great column by Sowell. I love the analogy of the bumblebees. Blacks would be a lot better off listening to Sowell rather than guys like Sharpton and Jackson but try to sell that idea to the residents of Philly and south Chicago. They are too dumb to recognize that those guys are negative losers.

Jim McAllister said...

Anonymous,

It's because they are Muslims and we have a Muslim president.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

I wonder if the few decent citizens of south Chicago, L.A., Philly, etc. agree that crime levels are really low now.

After reading the glorious report of the 72% drop in crime I think that just to be extra safe I'll buy a second gun.

It's the 28% that worries me but as long as I have my two buddies (Messrs. Smith and Wesson) at my side in the car or in my bedroom, they best avoid me. I'll admit to some paranoia these days so avoiding me is a good idea.

Jim McAllister said...

NASCAR Americans? LOL

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

I saw that last night. What a shock! Favors for friends and relatives.

When Michelle shops for her clothes at Walmart now everyone can shake their heads not only over her poor sartorial taste but over her being such a hypocrite.

Haven't seen much of her since her dietary program with the school kids fizzled so maybe she thinks bad publicity is better than none.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

I guess one way to describe Obama and spouse is that they are like bulls in a china shop.

They remind me of the hillbillies in Erskine Caldwell's "Tobacco Road."

I'm looking forward to the day when that loser gives a speech and no one will volunteer to be the sucker of the day and stand behind him.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

You may be right; Obamacare being the last straw of socialism.

I see no way for success of it. Even if you get though on the site, the cost is prohibitive and the deductibles are crazy high. I've read examples of the bronze plan with $10,000 to $14,000 deductibles.

I've also read where the number of people getting their insurance cancelled is much higher than those buying O-care. Plus, those who aren't kicked off their current private plan are getting increases beyond belief.

Barb's friend who is a PA was telling me the other day that she just got a notice of her insurance going from $300 a month to $720!

Another example of the failure that socialism is. Hopefully, enough people will realize it and that plague will be stamped out.

Jim McAllister said...

More fun is on the way. Who will blink this time?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/26/congress-aiming-low-in-new-budget-talks-as-reid-dismisses-entitlement-reform-as/

midnightsstaff said...

So which one is Whorehouse Harry- Thelma or Louise??

I guess he expects to go room temperature before the whole thing blows up in our corrupt politicians face.. someone is going to be the bag holder, the math says so.

Yote's win but Tip is not happy, and I don't blame him..
No one buys a Washington Generals jersey- they looked like a Div IA club..
Looks like the Oklahoma State football team are a bunch of insensitive hillbillies again, running up the score..

..Typical midwest trailer trash...how unfeeling and hurtful.
haha.

Mike said...

Proud, only my wife and my son are allowed to call me a complaining old fart. Of course they always say it with a smile on their faces.

Jim McAllister said...

I guess a win is a win but that performance may not work against the big boys.

During the week it looks like they are only drawing about 10K fans, weekends better.

I think the arena being in Ehrenburg doesn't help on the attendance. Fans in Scottsdale don't want to drive the hour to get there. NY Islanders are only team behind us in total home attendance for 24 games and they are only behind by 617 fans.

Jim McAllister said...

Has anyone seen that phony ad by that 7 year old girl telling people not to dress like Indians on Halloween?

She says she will dress as an '80s rock star. Isn't that insulting to 80's rock stars?

It's a put up deal by a bunch of humorless wish washy people that are afraid that somewhere somehow someone may be getting their feels hurt.

I got news for those idiots; if that's the worst your feelings are ever hurt you have done well in life. Quit sweating the small sh-t!

Jim McAllister said...

I love it! The Marines told Obama what he could do with his unisex marine hat. There will be no change.

Does this guy ever "get it?" He has never served a day and he is going to tell the marines what hats to wear.

He redefines "clueless"!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/26/marine-corps-nixes-plan-for-unisex-dress-hat/

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

2-1 Cardinals in a great game. I still say Cards in 6 and don't tell me you don't agree with the umps on that final play. LOL

midnightsstaff said...

here's your thriller....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvfwW5zflY

..to be continued..

PROUD said...

OK McCalister, in addition to the 3 post rule, we have a no gloat policy....

However, that game goes to everything I've been saying about baseball....it isn't dead or boring and players are still playing hard....It was great (well except the final score)

Anytime the outcome of a 3+ hour game(any sport) isn't determined until the final seconds it's pretty damn exciting....

I watched it at a neighbor's Halloween party with a guy who was dressed as Duck Dynasty and who was an even bigger St Louis fan than you, and YES, after further review, I had to agree with the interference call, third base ump was right there...

GREAT game!....that final play is sure to become a classic....

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Great YouTube. I love the shill with his great 70's mustache.

O-Care is the failure we all knew it would be. Why didn't someone check with us first before enacting this monster. If only they would have listened!

Even if they fix the website, what good will it do. The cost is far more than what anyone was paying previously.

If I was young, I would be finding a hole to hide in before they put a gun to my head to buy that shit.

So far the young are ignoring it and they are the ones the program has to have.

We all remember how it was to be young. We never ever felt bad and thought we were invincible. What the hell did we need with health insurance? Same attitude now!

FU Obama!

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

I'm glad you remember the 3 post rule, very important!

It was a great game. I thought the Cardinals would blow it when they loaded the bases early with no outs and couldn't score.

I agree that baseball is still exciting. I have been watching it seriously since 1954 and still enjoy it.

I'm not so much a St. Louis fan as I am a National league fan. Growing up in a National League city (Cincy) will do that.

As a matter of fact, during the season I am always rooting against St. Louis because they are in Cincy's division. This year I was hoping the Pirates would make it if the Reds couldn't. There is a city with great fans.

Boston pretty much has to win today or go down 3-1. That would be tough to make up but either way they had a great year coming from last in 2012 to first.

It's nice to see Steven Drew still playing. If it wasn't for idiot Kendrick, he would still be here.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

It's hard to believe what that clown does. He has all the stuff going with O-Care, Syria, Benghazi, etc. and he suddenly wants to change the hats of the goddam Marines. I only hope he heeds the words of that General and backs down.

Yeah, that picture of the little fairy on the bike with the helmet is great stuff especially when it's posted next to Putin with no shirt and brandishing that rifle.

Please tell me this shit is not happening in the United States!

midnightsstaff said...

No, it is happening- a lot of people are going to be surprised when one day they realize that even if they wish to ignore politics and pretend everything is normal that politics will not ignore them.

..a nation of sheep deserve what they get.. first it's the wool then the knife..

Mike said...

Missed the last of the baseball game last night. Was watching college football instead. College football is more entertaining than baseball, hockey or pro football.

midnightsstaff said...

I gotta agree, the game itself is pretty exciting as long as you can ignore the hype over this being amateur athletics and all that nonsense, the colleges are nothing more than glorified minor league development leagues..
This might shock some but none of the three Selmon bros attended Oklahoma to study nuclear physics or medicine.. actually their first love was always barbecue sauce.

midnightsstaff said...

sorry to get off track but thinking of barbecue sauce often does that to me..

it's an Oklahoma thing...

midnightsstaff said...

I see they are getting an early season snow blast up in Montana, it's 23 in Cal-gary and light snow right now, and I am setting on the balcony in my jambs waiting for the late moon rise- might have to put a tee shirt on.. haha.. yeah the great frozen north.. going to call my bud in Middle Earth Penn. tomorrow and rub it in a bit..

You remember those great winters in Ohio where the State Motto is - "come for the mud, stay for the taxes- eight months of gloom guaranteed"..

midnightsstaff said...

Oh yeah another little surprise for the unicorn petters, if you go to the link that lists prices for the Unaffordable Act you notice that you are not priced according to state but county.
That means a lot of things including what happens when you move?
What happens if you are visiting another state and have to get emergency treatment out of your assigned pool?
..yes there is a good reason they wanted this monstrosity to be rated and priced by county, that is part of the new centralized regulations designed to keep you where they want you.
This has never had anything to do with healthcare and everything about breaking the states budget with a greatly expanded mandated Medicaid.
Same trick the socialists did to Clownafornia through mandating Cadillac health care for irresponsible inmates, now the state is beyond help.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

College football? What the hell is that? Pro football is the name of the game!

How bout those Chiefs? 2-14 last year, 8-0 this year. Thank you Andy Reid and Alex Smith.

Bengals 6-2! Yes!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Cincy was a gloomy place in the winter. I think that is why I have such a sunny disposition.

One winter I think we went about 30 days in a row without seeing the sun.

Great chili town though!

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

The ACA could be the final blow for O and the thing that brings him down or at least when added to all his other screw ups, will make him ineffective. There are already 10 Dem Senators wanting to delay the damn thing.

Now, we have the next budget fight and Harry says the Reps are dreaming if they think any entitlements will be reduced.

This will be even more fun than a couple weeks ago!

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

They wuz lucky 4-2. Cards win tomorrow and win the game after in Beantown to take Series 4-2

Jonny Gomes? Please! Wong gets picked off to end the game? Double please!

PROUD said...

Jim, because of this site's "No Gloat" policy, my true feelings shall go unmentioned (G-L-O-A-T)
(OK, I lied, but in fairness, there doesn't seem to be a, NO lying rule)

Some can label stellar play like removing the threat of the tying run at the plate by brilliantly picking off the lead runner (who apearantly is faster than he is smart) in the 2 out, bottom of the 9th as luck...BUT

I prefer to see it as yet another exciting baseball game.

Which ever way this shakes out I'll have no complaints. These two teams have made it extremely entertaining.

PROUD said...

Screw the gloating rule...this is a thing of beauty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeRnMol2KVI

(Jim, you did say PLEASE :-))

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

Truly a beautiful pick off play. It's amazing how quickly one goes from hero to goat.

Wong pinch singles and steals second the night before and makes a great play in the field to force a man at second in a crucial situation.

The next night he gets picked off first with the tying run on base to end the game.

It's quite a Series; great pitching little hitting and weird endings.

If The Sox win it will be nice to know that the ghost of "The Kid" also known as the "Splendid Splinter" (Ted Williams) will be looking down from heaven with a smile.

Ted hit .401 the year I was born.

I still enjoy the WS but one of these times they are going to get snowed on playing this late in the year. Too much greed.

Tonight will be interesting and a huge advantage for whoever wins.

PROUD said...

Well, it looks like the administration is finally getting the glitches in O-Care fixed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4_AHBxgro

PROUD said...

Holy Shyt, even NBC is finally telling the truth:

http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/28/21213547-obama-admin-knew-millions-could-not-keep-their-health-insurance?lite

Check the weather channel...I do believe HELL just froze over?

Mike said...

Sorry Jim have to disagree.Not only is college football more exciting but the top teams are better than most NFL teams. Take Alabama for instance. They have won 3 of the last 4 national championships. The quarterback is 32-2 as a starter. In fact he has more championship rings than losses.

I dare say they could probably beat half the teams in the NFL.

Middy, talked to my sister-in-law yesterday in Wolf Point Montana. 18 for a low with a chance of snow. Told her I was in shorts and barefoot and she replied with a string of four letter words. How rude.

PROUD said...

John: "Hey Jim, did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?,

Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"

John: "No, the other one.

Jim: "Obama saying the avg family would save $2,500 on their premiums?"

John: "No, the other one.

Jim: "Spending $634 million on a website that doesn't work?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Obama calling for an increase in our debt when he lambasted Bush for the very same thing?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Obama having NSA spy on 124 Billion Phone Calls in One Month?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Blocking veterans who secured our freedoms from their monuments but giving the green light for Illegals to use Monument Mall?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean Obama saying we can keep our insurance and doctors if we wanted to?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The NSA monitoring foreign diplomats?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the use of drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy and was sold to the Chinese?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"

John: "No the other one:.

Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The DOJ spying on the press?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "You mean Obama spending $3.7 Trillion on Welfare Over Last 5 Years"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and 3 months later they declared bankruptcy and then the Chinese bought it?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, emails and everything else?"

Bob: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Millions of Americans losing their health care coverage?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Forcing Americans to include coverage in their insurance policies of items they do not want?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons, and falsely blaming the sequester?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Denying Arizona the right to protect its borders?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Providing weapons to Syrian rebels many of whom apparently are Al Queda"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "The President using nearly $1 trillion dollars of stimulus money to fund his cronies?"

John: "No, the other one"

Jim: "You mean Fast & Furious?"

John: "No, the other one."

Jim: "Hell!...I give up! ... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters who don't pay any taxes and still get free stuff from the taxpayers, the ones that stuck us (twice) with the most pandering, corrupt administration in American history?"

John: "YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE!"

Jim McAllister said...

PROUD,

I saw that Sat. Night Live" skit the other day. I see it has been removed.

Gee, NBC finially figured out what we knew all along: that he is a f---ing liar.

Not too smart either. One would think that the President of the United States would know how to pronounce "Marine Corp." He calls it the "Marine CORPSE".

Stupid beyond belief.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

You're letting your heart get in front of your head.

There is a big difference between college and the pros in football. Alabama would never be able to beat the worst NFL team (Jacksonville) much less HALF the NFL.

Go ahead and enjoy the kids but don't think they could beat seasoned pros.

PROUD said...

Ponder this:

Republicans were vilified for shutting down the government...Their demand was a year DELAY in enforcing the individual mandate (aka: forcing people to buy insurance or pay a fine)....Obama stood PROUD and said NO!, I WILL N-O-T NEGOTIATE.

SO,... the government was shut down, the administration and media made much hay out of the Republicans being responsible.

NOW, after the big-gov is up and running again (meaning spending TRILLIONS of taxpayer dollars we don't have), Pres. Obama himself (w/o legally going through the legislative process) has decided to grant a 6 week extension to the individual mandate.

Anyone who actually THINKS should ask themselves?:

WHY THE HELL DID OBAMA LET THE GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN WHEN ALL HE HAD TO DO WAS NEGOTIATE A DELAY IN A MANDATE HE NOW IS DELAYING ???

http://news.yahoo.com/...

Jim McAllister said...

Good conversation on Obama. A bunch of crooks who are gettin g away with it.

Sad. This used to be a helluva country.

PROUD said...

For anyone that missed the Saturday Night spoof, here's another link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzFxacXlXfY

Jim McAllister said...

Good question, PROUD.

Read some of those 2300 comments on Yahoo. People are PISSED. He shuts down the govt. then retracts.

Maybe he should talk to the Marine CORPSE! He is dumber than a post.

PROUD said...

HOT DAMN!

Tonight 3/1 WIN means going home with a 3/2 lead!!!!!!

GREAT night for Lester!

midnightsstaff said...

Yeah I gotta go with the consensus on this one, the pro game and the college game are two sets of animal- doesn't mean it's not entertaining but just not the same.

1-800-FUCK YO..
Remember that phone number America..
Looks like the Reptile.. erh I mean Republicans tried to save Barky from his own trap but as usual even in that failed.

Monty Python were a bunch of grim faced morticians and sober minded Church Alders compared with the antics of this crowd.
So what does the lead jackass do?- he goes out and promises to get this disaster completely re written and shovel ready by the end of next month..

..check's in the mail folks, any bets on the table?

midnightsstaff said...

Damn.. gotta face the Kings tomorrow night in Glendale and Marty Hanzal gets a two game suspension on what I think should have been a two min. minor at best..
Klesla gets a concussion and misses about five games but no suspension on that cheap shot...
The NHL is trying to do what the NFL is doing. making the game near unwatchable by anyone who remembers how it used to be played.
I wonder how Bobby Clarke would do in this new "more civilized hockey environment"?- back then if he had done what he did on ice on the streets he would have been in prison.

PROUD said...

I hear the O team is looking to bring in Baghdad Bob to head up the upcoming, "PR surge"

Might be their best move yet?

midnightsstaff said...

Looks like he has his tail caught in this one, but his biggest problem is the Saudi's who are running out of patience in his getting what they sent him to Washington to do..
This Syrian thing was supposed to be well on the track by now and they ain't happy.
Of course they have enough evidence to sink him personally because they bankrolled the whole thing.
He is getting a lot of pressure right now- what could go wrong?

Monkey with a hand grenade.

Jim McAllister said...

I gotta hand it to the Red Sox. They clearly look like the best team. Nobody is hitting much but the Sox pitching has been great and what can we say about Ortiz? He DH's all year and when they play in St. Lois he just slips on the first sackers mitt and does a ggood job in the field.

He defintely is MVP at this moment.

PROUD said...

Yeah, Ortiz is spomething, between innings he goes up & down the bench giving the players a pep talk, camera showed him telling the younger guys..."make it happen, you might never get another opportunity to be here"

Can't discount John Lester. In this series he's pitched two games, 15.3 innings, and given up just one run! Against sluggers like St Louis, that's sayin something!

Jim McAllister said...

So true about Ortiz. Lester is a great story; he is a cancer survivor.

Stevebuzzardo said...

well it looks like its over now, the Cards look pathetic, can't hit worth a damn.

Yeah, gotta hand it to the Sox they get the big hit when they need it.

midnightsstaff said...

Oh I wouldn't count the Sox out on losing the series yet, hell this isn't their first trip in October to end up kissing their sister.

tradition- Red Sox style..
Hey, who gets to pay for that 1 billion dollar startup FUBAR?- I know... the taxpayer right?

midnightsstaff said...

Under the auspices of giving credit where it's due (pun intended) it seems Glendale has made a list.. it is now number two on the cities in America right behind Detroit in having reserves in their bank for city expenditures to the tune of minus twenty one plus percent of the budget.

I suggest you drive very slowly while on the streets of Glendale- the traffic cops have a compelling interest in maintaining public safety..

Other than that the future looks bright..
..sort of like "well mrs. Lincoln, except for that how did you like the show?"

midnightsstaff said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVorAQUtHHY

a brief visit with Nigel..
He is predicting a tidal surge towards conservatism across Europe, they are seeing where this leads and are no longer happy with centralized control and no borders..

..too bad we are headed the exact opposite direction.

PROUD said...

Middy, I rather like that Nigel chap...Going to follow him.

Your point about slowing down because Glendale's hard up for cash is valid...Except, if one slows down very much in Glendale they're likely to have their hub-caps stolen, or their car chopped, lowered and fitted with baby-moons...

I'm advocating slowly instead of VERY slowly...

midnightsstaff said...

Yeah Nigel is one of those speak your mind type of guys I admire, he has gone on epic rants in the halls of the European Parliament of Whores.

Red Socks fans ought not to be counting their chips just yet.. there are actual ghosts in that locker room..
One thing I know is baseball was a lot more fun when Carlton Fisk was catcher- but then girls were too...

PROUD said...

I never count my chips,(or breath normal) until the last out.

I had years in the construction business that drove me to eat tagamet....I can't begin to imagine the turmoil a big league managers stomach must go through, especially in the world series.

They don't need ghosts, there's a really talented team sitting across the diamond determined to beat them...

Still I like the Sox odds,.... 1 outa 2 is a one hellova lot easier than 2 outa 2...

Mike said...

Jim, Jacksonville is 0-8. Doesn't sound like seasoned pros to me. The NFL only has 12 teams with a winning record.

The difference between college and the pros is college players don't get paid. They play for pride and the chance to maybe win a championship. The pros play for money. They get paid if they win or lose.

Middy, now you know why I had the good sense to leave Glendale last year.

PROUD said...

Mike...sounds like you'd be a big fan of "THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD SERIES"
What with you being into pretend, amuetuer sports and all?

midnightsstaff said...

double minor- crosschecking and instigating..

I was kind of hoping that the hot chick would ride in and tell us what a bunch of negative bastards we are for ever doubting free health care.
maybe she could give us an update on how the sign up is going..
was that a high stick?

Anonymous said...

The two Muslim soldiers arrested for trying to kidnap an American 12-year-old girl in Pulaski County Missouri are in jail for their own protection.

The story has hit the mainstream news. Al Qaeda tried to kidnap an American girl for a sex slave in the Ozarks.

The U.S. government is involved. Obama has said nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PatzUbVi59c&feature=youtu.be

Jim McAllister said...

Buzz,

I agree, it looks grim for the Cardinals but they still have to play the games so anything can happen.

Based on Cards hitting I don't expect much.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

They have won it all twice in the last 10 years and this will probably be 3. Carlton Fisk hit a great homer against the reds in '75 but Cincy won the Series.

Jim McAllister said...

Nigel is cool.

Jim McAllister said...

Mike,

We're talking about boys v. men here. Kids v. pros.

J-ville may not have won a game but they have faced professional competition which makes them a lot tougher than college kids who are still doing keggers and playing other kids on Saturdays.

Besides, even though they are losers in the NFL, J-Ville has guys who MADE the NFL. They would kill Alabama or any other college team if not though talent, then through sheer intimidation.

Do you remember the pre-season game that used to be played at Soldier Field in Chicago from 1934 until the mid 70s?

It was the College All-Stars (The best SENIOR plays in college)v. the previous year's NFL winner.

Before they quit playing the game in the 70s the pros had led the series 31-9-2; totally lopsided.

Remember, the pros weren't playing a great college team, they were playing the best college SENIOR players available. In other words, they were guys who were much better than any particular good team like Alabama and still waxed them.

Jim McAllister said...

Middy,

Good game against L. A. I was hoping for the shutout but I'll take 3-1.

midnightsstaff said...

Yeah, it seems like every once in a while when they get that smothering game and pressure below the halfwall clicking it frustrates every team..
..with eighteen points they are in fourth place but only three points back of first place.. in either eastern division they are first place... the Pacific is still a tough neighborhood.

Jim McAllister said...

Absolutely, with L. A., Anaheim, and San Jose it is one tough division to dominate.

Beating L. A., who is the best of the three, is a nice confidence builder.

That win plus the three nights in a row wins on the road are to bright spots so far.

midnightsstaff said...

I remember we used to get a tv pulled into one of the classrooms at world series time.. it was like a spring break and I saw no harm in taking a little break..

I got to admit watching sports has never been easier, it really only got started in the seventies about the time of cable and look where we are now- on your Iphone.
..still going to catch one of those rugby matches.. looks pretty wild.

midnightsstaff said...

San Jose is no joke, they have a complete game and starpower up the ying yang..

It's amazing that a team like the Yotes can even make it interesting, but hockey is a funny game and a great equalizer.
..what other sport does a little guy like a Melie or St. Louis even get a chance?

Jim McAllister said...

You can tell our age difference. We only had a radio to listen to games in class. No TV then.

Anonymous said...

Writer says Obama is training Hezbollah in America.

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/66753/2-arab-soldiers-from-muslim-country-tried-to-kidnap-rape-12-yr-old-missouri-girl-us-military-training-them/

PROUD said...

Here's some sub-NFL action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwtgVF3BMTg

Love to see amateurs attempt something like that against any NFL defense...

Jim McAllister said...

After that play they better hope the loser of that game never has a chance to get even.

PROUD said...

Now here's a creative way to get your guests laughing:

https://www.talkingtp.com/index.asp

A talking toilet paper holder....Where you can record things like:

((("hey, you really need to consider more fiber in your diet")))

Jim McAllister said...

Great column by Boston columnist Howie Carr. I couldn't stop laughing at his Obama comments!

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/howie_carr/2013/10/carr_we_already_met_our_knucklehead_quota

Mike said...

Jim, the college all-star teams were always at a disadvantage since it was seniors that had never played together before.

When the NFL drafts players out of college do those guys suddenly go from being kids to being men?

I still think Alabama could beat some NFL teams, especially the Cardinals.

midnightsstaff said...

Whoa... first you say professional teams and now you change up to the Cardinals?

sorry that's bait and switch.

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